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Name: Kabby
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Kabby
Nov 30, 2014 12:27 AM CST
Okay I'm not being politically incorrect and talking about sight challenged bulbs. Hilarious! I had never heard this term before doing a search and it means daffs that have leaves but no blooms. I don't remember what kind I have but they are definitely blind. There are so many requirements! Are they deep enough, far apart enough, fertilized with low nitrogen, have enough sun, a specific kind that does well in the south, leave the foliage on after blooming, on and on ad nauseam. I dug them all up this fall, spread them out, dug down 4-6 inches to plant.Fertilized with bulb booster. I have Golden Bells and Baby Moon that reliably bloom, can you show your daffs?
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jmorth
Nov 30, 2014 2:24 AM CST
I'm not sure what you mean regarding your last phase/question about showing daffs.
There are accredited competition shows where daff presentations are judged. I think they've got categories to enter for professional and amateur classes. The ADS probably lists shows here in America.
Old House Gardens have an excellent list of what daffs work down south.
The bulbless plants you refer to may be too crowded; as the crowding continues, the blooms diminish in number.
Please share any pics of yours here either a/o in a tread or as database submissions.
There's a giant thread in the bulbs forum that centers on daffodils, pics and information.

Any of these responses helpful?
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gemini_sage
Nov 30, 2014 4:53 AM CST
"Requirements" may be a little misleading, "possible diagnoses" I think may be more accurate. I say that because Daffodils, compared to other garden plants, don't really require much. However, when their basic needs are no longer being met, blind bulbs result. Sounds like you've taken care of the problem though. Sometimes when I divide Daffodils, blooms may be a little sparse the first spring afterwords, but after that they show renewed vigor. Just wanted to mention that in case blooms still appear to be scant in spring; if they're getting enough sun, you'll likely see tons of color next year.
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Name: Kabby
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Kabby
Nov 30, 2014 11:09 AM CST
@jmorth I meant to say show pictures of your daffs. It was late and I was typing on a Kindle. I'm surprised I could even speak intelligently at that time. *Blush* I also did read Old House Gardens recommendations. I do have 'Avalanche' coming in the spring. I did a search of the forums for blind daffodils with no results so now I'll go find the other thread mentioned above. Thanks for the information.
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jmorth
Nov 30, 2014 11:37 AM CST
My pleasure.
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Name: Kabby
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Kabby
Nov 30, 2014 12:26 PM CST
I have another question. I have several pink daffs that need to be relocated, these are also blind. I'll have to wait for foliage to come up to know where they are. Should I dig them after the foliage finishes emerging or after the foliage dies down?
Name: Neal Linville
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gemini_sage
Nov 30, 2014 12:34 PM CST
As the foliage is dying down is best. I like to get them while the leaves are yellow and starting to brown, if I wait too long they are sometimes hard to locate. Spread them out and allow them to dry, and remove any attached foliage when it dries and detaches easily, with little or no resistance. Once the bulbs are dry and chaff removed, you can store them in onion bags till replanting in fall. I store them in summer at room temperature, where air circulates well.
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Kabby
Nov 30, 2014 1:30 PM CST
Neal so it wouldn't be kosher to go ahead and replant after the foliage dies? What is the rationale for waiting? I feel like I'm nitpicking but it helps me knowing the "why" of something l'm not proficient at.
Name: Neal Linville
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gemini_sage
Nov 30, 2014 3:56 PM CST
Daffs are really tough, so I doubt it would hurt, and I admit I have replanted immediately with no problems. Most spring flowering bulbs prefer to be dry during summer dormancy, but some are more demanding of it than others (like Tulips and Hyacinths), and Daffodils are among the least fussy. Moisture during that time can cause rot issues though, so if you happen to get a wet summer, it could do them in. Not nitpicking at all, an excellent question! I'm the same way, if I know why it's a general rule, I'm more likely to remember it (and abide by it).
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Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Nov 30, 2014 4:53 PM CST
Kabby ...

Thanks for asking this question. I have wondered about the same thing.

Neal ... Thanks for your clear answers.

Smiles,
Lyn
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Name: Kabby
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Kabby
Nov 30, 2014 8:30 PM CST
Okay then! I'm looking forward to some sunny daffodil faces next yr. @Gemini_sage and @jmorth I enjoyed looking at your daff photos, hopefully I have done everything I need to do to have some blooms. I have several miniatures coming in the spring, I'm ready! Smiling
Name: Tiffany
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purpleinopp
Dec 2, 2014 9:20 AM CST
I usually move bulbs within minutes, and really think they don't usually notice, unless I'm disturbing them enough to separate. If I just want to move them, I scoop them up with the shovel & deposit them unmolested, having dug the new hole first. Those usually bloom well, (Daffs or other bulbs,) whenever they normally would. When separating, I try to re-plant them that same day.

However, I don't dabble in named hybrids, don't often do store-bought bulbs. The hybrid plants I've bought over the years don't seem to perform as well in general, IMVHO/E, but absolutely more power to those who do like to experiment with them and have the budget to do so. Enjoy! Not knocking anything, just adding context to my anecdote. Except for trades, my bulbs are all reclaimed from abandoned home sites, found in the lawn when the grass went dormant from drought. There are 3-4 kinds in the daffodil/Narcissus category. I prefer ordinary & reliable vs. unusual but fussy &/or short-lived (unacceptable.) So, if hybrids need different treatment than old standby bulbs, still growing long after the house they used to adorn is gone, just disregard my remarks. But please still take the good vibes I wish to your bulbs!
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Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Dec 2, 2014 9:47 AM CST
@purpleinopp, Tiffany,

Do you do your transplanting in spring ? It has been raining almost daily since the first of October, just after I bought my bulbs on sale, and I my soil has been saturated ever since and I haven't wanted to plant the bulbs in truly wet soil and was hoping for a bit of time when the soil would dry out some. Since rain is likely to happen every day for the next 10 days, I don't see that happening and think there's a good possibility I may lose these new bulbs ... no they are not the fancy ones.

I wanted to move my Spanish Bluebells, supposedly deer resistant ... HA ... , that I planted out in front in deer territory because the deer ate them down to nubs this year. I don't even know if they are viable. The deer did not give them enough time to grow foliage to feed the bulb for the next season. If some come up next spring, can I move them at that time ?

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purpleinopp
Dec 4, 2014 8:10 AM CST
I don't battle the weather much, if it's icky out, I'll wait. I'm very impulsive and likely to move stuff at any time. With bulbs, I find the best time to move them is when they are up. Otherwise, IDK where they are.

Maybe you could put the bulbs in a pot until the ground is suitable?

IDK anything about Spanish bluebells specifically, hopefully someone who has them can leave some info here for you.

Best of luck!!
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Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Dec 4, 2014 11:25 AM CST
Thanks, Tiffany.

I would plant if the soil was only damp, but it has been saturated for at least two months.

As for planting them in containers, I do have the containers, but don't have enough potting soil on hand and our garden centers are closed for the season.

Part of me really wants to plant them, but I am so pleased to see the rain after three years of extreme drought, I can handle losing some new bulbs. I may even lose some of the bulbs that are already planted in the garden to rot ... Hilarious! It's worth it. We really needed the rain.

Last year, at this time, everything was covered with a foot of snow and I was out watering plants wearing winter clothing because the snow didn't melt and the soil was too dry for the other plants which would have made them more susceptible to the winter cold temps.

It's always something.

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Name: Kabby
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Kabby
Dec 4, 2014 4:59 PM CST
Well. I just got a BIG order of bulbs from bloomingbulb.com and a smaller one from Brent and Becky's. Omg what was I thinking? Sad I guess knowing the weather was going to be in the 70s this whole week made me do it. I'm carefully following bulb protocol, I'm expecting showy flowers next spring to reward me for my take no prisoners attitude.
@RoseBlush1 I have 2-3 dozen of Spanish bluebells if you need some to experiment with. Thumbs up
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Dec 4, 2014 5:32 PM CST
@Kabby ....

Thank you. My Spanish bluebells have done fine until this year. We were in our third year of drought and my neighbor above me on our slope decided not to water his large lawn this year. One could easily say he had his own private deer herd living up there, but when there was no lawn, they moved down to my property ... Hilarious!

My tiny lawn was green because I had to water my maple tree this year for the first time. It's a large tree and the roots spread all though the lawn area.

The dang deer ate every deer resistant plant I had out there. They were starving. That's why I don't know if the bulbs out there are actually viable because they never had a chance to go through their full cycle. I may have to start over, but won't know until next spring.

I had marked the location where I planted the bulbs with plastic utinsils and a friend pointed out that I even supplied forks for the deer to eat my plants ... Whistling

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If I see the bulbs come up next spring ... I am going to move them !

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Lyn

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Name: Kabby
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Kabby
Dec 4, 2014 9:33 PM CST
Too funny! Providing forks! Maybe with all the rain the deer will move back uphill now and leave your bulbs alone. I'm really excited about all the color I'm going to have next yr. I just wish the predicted "colder than normal" weather would get here and get it over with. Sighing!
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Dec 4, 2014 9:54 PM CST
Hi Kabby,

Yes, the deer have moved back to their home pasture ... Hilarious!

I hated our "hotter than normal summer this year" and was looking forward to fall planting. Oh, well. Guess, I'll have a lot more work come spring.

Smiles,
Lyn
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MaryMills1
Dec 6, 2014 7:43 AM CST
I planted Odon daffs one year mixed with some doubles and plain daffs. Many Odon were blind. Never understood it. Maybe they needed less rich soil or more sun. Lots of leaves. Should have tried them in pots or another location.

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