Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum: What makes calcareum unique

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Name: Marilyn
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CDsSister
Dec 9, 2014 6:40 PM CST

I get a bit confused with some of the divisions in our Hens and Chicks groupings.

JoAnn's wonderful banner 12/9/14 made me wonder how this group differs and is unique about the calcareum?
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Dec 9, 2014 7:21 PM CST

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It is all about color and texture for calcareum. They all have varying shades of green with dark colored tips.
http://garden.org/plants/search/text.php?ppid=186377&q=calca...

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I think this would be a great thing to explain in your book Kevin. What are the differences between S. calcareum and S. tectorum?
Name: Marilyn
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CDsSister
Dec 9, 2014 8:00 PM CST
The ' is really pretty isn't it? A Bit different from the other red and green ones, but I like it very much. Thumbs up Does anyone have this one here in the states?
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Dec 9, 2014 8:29 PM CST

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I don't find any for sale in the U.S. Marilyn. It sure is different, and very interesting.
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Dec 9, 2014 8:52 PM CST
I'm not sure that Tristesse is a calcareum...it doesn't have the usual coloration or shape. Marilyn my understanding is that it has to do with where these different semps were/are found, and the looks. Thumbs up
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Dec 9, 2014 9:02 PM CST

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Here you go, more photos of Tristesse.
http://www.semperhorst.de/Diehmor%20TI%20-%20TZ/Diehmor%20TI...
http://sempervivum-liste.de/Sempervivum/Tristesse

The species S. calcareum are found growing on limestone.
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gg5
Dec 9, 2014 10:45 PM CST
oh okay, wow yes that's a calcareum, what lovely coloration it goes through!!
Hurray!
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Dec 10, 2014 12:02 AM CST

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It is so different from all the others I've seen. Very interesting, wish we had it here in the U.S.
Name: Kevin Vaughn
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
JungleShadows
Dec 11, 2014 8:59 PM CST
Marilyn,

I have 'Tristesse' and it's lovely but not a calcareum. Mine came from Fernwood and is finally making a nice clump. Think it should be an interesting parent as it has such an unusual blend of colors.

The tectorums are mostly tetraploid and are generally bigger rosettes. The calcareums are diploids and grow mainly on calcareous soil in the wild although I don't find that they mind my acid soil here either. The blossoms on calcareums are nearly white, just a touch of pink at the base of the petal. They flower infrequently for me although they did better in MA.

My favorite calcareums are 'Extra' and from Ceuse. Both quite different.

OK back to book proofing... This is the worst part of publishing a book! Am sure the neighbors think I'm crazy as i'm reading my prose OUT LOUD to try and catch mistakes. It's 192 pages long so a lot of reading.

WINDY here but the power has stayed on. My new patio furniture went flying across the yard but I retrieved it next to the deer fence!

Kevin
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valleylynn
Dec 11, 2014 9:14 PM CST

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Thank you for the explanation Kevin.

Thank heaven for the deer fence, the patio furniture was saved. Hurray!

Not to bad here. The tree guys came and trim a few trees on our road.
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Dec 11, 2014 10:52 PM CST
And Kevin, I'm sure your neighbors are loving your booming commanding voice...really!
Name: Kevin Vaughn
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
JungleShadows
Dec 12, 2014 11:03 AM CST
Everything seems OK in Salem, or at least my end that is more protected by the Salem Hills. Today seems very nice.

Yesterday after finishing the chapter on Japanese irises and saying Japanese names OUT LOUD I finished and broke into "Let It Go" from "Frozen" in my very non-Elsa voice. Luckily the wind was blowing a gale and all the windows were closed so hopefully no one heard that rendition!

OK back to reading my prose!

Kevin
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valleylynn
Dec 12, 2014 11:52 AM CST

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All is well here also. Sun is shining this morning.

Cliff and I want tickets to the next performance of "Let It Go". Green Grin!
Name: Kate
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Dec 12, 2014 2:41 PM CST
JungleShadows said:OK back to book proofing... This is the worst part of publishing a book! Am sure the neighbors think I'm crazy as i'm reading my prose OUT LOUD to try and catch mistakes. It's 192 pages long so a lot of reading.


Kevin


The trick with proofreading (and I've done a lot of it) is to walk away every couple of hours and come back to it after a short break. The expression "fresh eyes" isn't as silly as it sounds.
Kate Kennedy Butler
Glover, Vermont

life without music would be a mistake Nietzsche
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Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Dec 12, 2014 3:11 PM CST
JungleShadows said: Yesterday after finishing the chapter on Japanese irises and saying Japanese names OUT LOUD I finished and broke into "Let It Go" from "Frozen" in my very non-Elsa voice. Kevin


Kevin, this has got to be included in the itinerary for the clinic meeting... nodding

Name: Kevin Vaughn
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
JungleShadows
Dec 12, 2014 5:45 PM CST
Kate,

Yes I'm trying to do more than 10 pages at any one time, do another task (like check this site!). this afternoon I took off a couple hours to clean out a bed of Siberian irises. I find my best proofing is done late at night when I'm ready for bed. Things pop out of the page then!

Bev, the reason I play a musical instrument is that I have a VERY low voice and only about an octave range. I did belt out Let It Go pretty well but I was feeling a need for "pressure relief"

Light candles for me......

Kevin

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