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Dec 16, 2014 11:44 AM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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davidsevit said:i just put the glue this evening it looks a little bit bulky and not natural.maybe i will give it another coating and then take a picture of it.actualy it needs to go with the plant.syngonium
david


Going to see if we can get @purpleinopp for help on David's question about the pole to grow his Syngonium on.
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Dec 16, 2014 12:02 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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David, I think you will function fine here at All Things Plants; just hang in there and don't hesitate to share your experiences. We all have different climate conditions and sometimes different issues with our indoor and outdoor plants and we try to help each other out as much as possible.

If your indoor temperature remains @ 10ºC (50ºF) without a lot of fluctuation during the day, I think the plants will do just fine. The humidity created by the water filled pebble trays will help increase the temperature a little more around your plants to keep them happy but just remember that during cooler months plants do not require as much water as during the heat of summer. The combination of cold combined with wet can promote fungal infections and I'd reduce water greatly during the cold months.

I will be curious to hear how your totem pole with sawdust glued to the styrofoam works for your Syngonium but I think Syngonium's will attach to and grow on almost any structure! I hope you will share photos when your project is finished.

You might find this page interesting where someone shared their step by step instructios on making a totem pole for a Philodendron to climb on: The thread "Need climbing stake for my philodendron" in All Things Gardening forum

And, here you will see photo's from members who've used Coconut Fiber etc: The thread "Succulent Balls, Globes and Topiary" in Containers forum
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Dec 16, 2014 12:11 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Wonderful links Lin.
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Dec 16, 2014 2:34 PM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
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David, if I may chime in a bit late on the humidity question - yes, all tropical plants love humidity and the more the better. Cold air holds less moisture than warm air, though. So when you let your temperatures fall during the day while you're at work, as the air cools off the humidity drops.

That being said, lots of "indoor" plants grow outdoors down here in Florida and we do have some cold nights in the winter, and lower humidity days that accompany the cold nights. The plants will slow down and possibly go dormant but it won't hurt them for the most part. Just don't expect them to grow and thrive the same as in summer. You should also ease back on watering and fertilizing for the months when the temperature drops in your house.

If you want to keep them growing and lush looking, you will need to keep them warmer, and in good light.
Elaine

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Dec 16, 2014 3:26 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: david sevitt
jerusalem israel
dirtdorphins said:Hi David! Welcome!

Concerning humidity loving plants--I am just guessing we are primarily talking about tropical plants then?
My thoughts are that the plants would prefer to be warmer and humid during the day when they receive light and have their cool period at night --still with humidity-- because that is what they would get in their natural environment.
As far as I know, they like humidity all the time regardless of the temperature--but I think that they need it more when it is warmer. Probably they could tolerate lower humidity when it is cooler, but humidity loving plants don't really like to be cold and dry either.

How are your plants doing? with cool days and warm nights and whatever humidity you do provide?
If they seem to be suffering a little I would suspect that the problem is not so much a lack of humidity when it is cool in the day but more the fact that it is cool in the day...
If they are doing fine, then humidity probably does not play a significant role when they are cool in the day...

Matches--I have heard of people using a book of paper matches at the bottom of the planting hole and covered with soil for peppers--some rave about their success with this method and others claim it makes no difference.
The chemistry:
http://www.cengage.com/chemist...
The tip of a strike-anywhere match is made from a mixture of powdered glass, binder, and tetraphosphorus trisulfide (P4S3). When the match is struck, friction ignites the combustion reaction of P4S3. The heat from this reaction causes an oxidizing agent such as potassium chlorate to decompose, which in turn causes solid sulfur to melt and react with oxygen, producing sulfur dioxide and more heat. This then ignites a paraffin wax that helps to “light” the wooden stem of the match. The chemistry of a safety match is quite similar, but the location of the reactants is different. The phosphorus needed to initiate all the reactions is found on the striking surface of the box. Thus, in theory, a safety match is able to ignite only when used with the box. For a safety match, the striking surface contains red phosphorus, which is easily converted to white phosphorus by the friction of the match head on the striking surface. White phosphorus ignites spontaneously in air and generates enough heat to initiate all the other reactions to ignite the match stem.

Personally, I use matches to ignite fire but not as fertilizer because there are so many better, balanced, cheaper, and legitimately beneficial fertilizer options available that are not very useful for starting fires Hilarious!
(I find it funny that we here speculate first that the matches were confiscated from students Hilarious! and you are right Lin--fire hazards and safety rules would certainly prohibit playing with matches in schools here!)
Anyway, what to do with all those matches? Since they are the thing with value as matches, perhaps you could return them to the match manufacturer in exchange for empty boxes which are the thing of value to you and your students. In the future, perhaps you could even figure out how to acquire the boxes themselves without the matches from the manufacturer of the boxes? I'll bet you could get a lot more empty boxes for the same investment without the disposal problem on the back end.

thanks alot for such a detailed answer.
it is true the life of the plants has changed since it is cold in the day and warmer in the evening.my deeper intrest in house plants has just started this year also moved into a new appartement trying to learn the light'wind heat directions.
i understand from other sources that light has a very significant role in the winter also.
do you think i should invent a personal under heating or something just for the pots?
i found out that styrofoam chunks have a pleasant temperature wich could be a good base to put plants on.
dont plants develope a new life cycle when they grow far away from home?
matches.....i have gone through a few years of trying out solutions.
i use the draws of the mathcbox for a special project...no company will sell me any empty box and no company will buy thousands of matches from me......
the detailed description of the process of burning was very helpful thanks.
i mught even stuff the whole box into the ground ...see what happens.
also i might make a solution with water and water some plants with red liquid.
different books talk about different minimum temperature.....
i have a nice story about two dracenas i bought in the same pot. i separated them cause it was crowded.
one was on my south facing patio and the other under a roof where the cars park.....after a few months going through very hot weather i was more worried about the sunny location....but that was wrong......the one in shade but next to cars did not develope and the one(till now)on the patio is enjoying life....fresh air but....maybe too cold?
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Dec 16, 2014 3:45 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: david sevitt
jerusalem israel
plantladylin said:David, I think you will function fine here at All Things Plants; just hang in there and don't hesitate to share your experiences. We all have different climate conditions and sometimes different issues with our indoor and outdoor plants and we try to help each other out as much as possible.

If your indoor temperature remains @ 10ºC (50ºF) without a lot of fluctuation during the day, I think the plants will do just fine. The humidity created by the water filled pebble trays will help increase the temperature a little more around your plants to keep them happy but just remember that during cooler months plants do not require as much water as during the heat of summer. The combination of cold combined with wet can promote fungal infections and I'd reduce water greatly during the cold months.

I will be curious to hear how your totem pole with sawdust glued to the styrofoam works for your Syngonium but I think Syngonium's will attach to and grow on almost any structure! I hope you will share photos when your project is finished.

You might find this page interesting where someone shared their step by step instructios on making a totem pole for a Philodendron to climb on: The thread "Need climbing stake for my philodendron" in All Things Gardening forum

And, here you will see photo's from members who've used Coconut Fiber etc: The thread "Succulent Balls, Globes and Topiary" in Containers forum


the totem you advised lokks much more professinal than mine.it is in process iwill show soon
david
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Dec 16, 2014 3:51 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: david sevitt
jerusalem israel
dyzzypyxxy said:David, if I may chime in a bit late on the humidity question - yes, all tropical plants love humidity and the more the better. Cold air holds less moisture than warm air, though. So when you let your temperatures fall during the day while you're at work, as the air cools off the humidity drops.

That being said, lots of "indoor" plants grow outdoors down here in Florida and we do have some cold nights in the winter, and lower humidity days that accompany the cold nights. The plants will slow down and possibly go dormant but it won't hurt them for the most part. Just don't expect them to grow and thrive the same as in summer. You should also ease back on watering and fertilizing for the months when the temperature drops in your house.

If you want to keep them growing and lush looking, you will need to keep them warmer, and in good light.


thanks but if they start looking bad .....brown stains droopy....they cannot stay in a representative position
david
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Dec 16, 2014 5:44 PM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
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Hilarious! I agree, you don't want a dead-looking plant. If they get brown and mushy and droopy, it's definitely getting a little too cold for them. Or you might be overwatering if they start looking like that.

Most will just sit, and not grow when the weather gets cold. (you are making cool weather happen in your apartment, right?) They should still look nice, they're just growing very slowly, or not at all.
Elaine

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Dec 16, 2014 11:04 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: david sevitt
jerusalem israel
dyzzypyxxy said: Hilarious! I agree, you don't want a dead-looking plant. If they get brown and mushy and droopy, it's definitely getting a little too cold for them. Or you might be overwatering if they start looking like that.

Most will just sit, and not grow when the weather gets cold. (you are making cool weather happen in your apartment, right?) They should still look nice, they're just growing very slowly, or not at all.


i am not making the weather happen.its winter here in jerusalem.we heat the appartemant when we come home in the evening.some heat stays during the day ...it is not like being outside
david
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Dec 16, 2014 11:08 PM CST
Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
The one constant in life is change
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Just meant that by turning the heat down during the day, it sort of simulates a cool day for your plants.
Elaine

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Dec 17, 2014 12:11 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: david sevitt
jerusalem israel
dyzzypyxxy said:Just meant that by turning the heat down during the day, it sort of simulates a cool day for your plants.


i meant we just dont open the spiral heater.
here get an example...live its 8 in the morning here.i felt a cold breeze from outsidei put the thermometre it was 6 celcius.
indoors it is 14.
the dracenas are still surviving.
does this letter go to all?
david
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Dec 17, 2014 1:39 AM CST
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Sages Garden Ideas: Level 1
David ...

Let me answer your last question first ... yes, this post goes to all as it is on a public forum. Anyone can read it and answer it.

6C = 43F and 14C = 57F.

From what I have read, temperatures lower than 13C or 55F will harm a dracena, so at 14C the temperature is just above the point where it could cause harm to the plant. These plants are happiest if kept at about 24C or 75F.

Normal humidity is fine, but you can mist the plant to increase the humidity around the plant.

I found this site on Google that has a lot of climate information for Jerusalem that shows temperatures in both Celsius and Fahrenheit. It appears that Jerusalem has a cold zone similar to the US cold hardiness zone 10 which has a cold hardiness temps between 1C to 4.4C or 30F to 40F.

These hardiness zones are for outside temperatures.

http://www.jerusalem.climatemp...

There is a lot of good climate information on that site that should help you answer some of your questions in general.

I don't grow houseplants as I heat with wood and parts of my house are warmer than others and maintaining the proper temperature is tricky for me, much less for plants. Wood stoves don't have thermostats, so how one builds one's fire and the kind of wood used makes all of the difference ... Smiling

I hope this helps.

Smiles,
Lyn

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Dec 17, 2014 6:19 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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Here's a link to an article written by an All Things Plants member a couple of years ago, showing step by step instructions for making a Moss Pole: http://garden.org/ideas/view/t...
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Dec 18, 2014 12:36 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: david sevitt
jerusalem israel
plantladylin said:Here's a link to an article written by an All Things Plants member a couple of years ago, showing step by step instructions for making a Moss Pole: http://garden.org/ideas/view/t...


thank you i have seen this.....i am trying to find alternatives to expenses and be creative
i will send soon a picture of the first step
david

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