Brugmansias forum: The oddities of hybrid Brugs

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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Dec 22, 2014 9:52 PM CST
I grew several Brugmansias from seeds I purchased from Arghya Gardens in St. Petersburg, FL. They were started as seeds in August of 2013. So these seedlings are over a year old now.

My dear cat knocked them over when they were very small seedlings which totally messed up the tags, so I don't know for sure which is which. The hybrid possibilities are: Rubirosa x Goldflame, Rubirosa x Lizzy, New Orleans Lady x Angels Goldface, and New Orleans Lady x Double Dark Rosetta. Any of these plants could be any of these crosses. I've no idea!

They are all unique and some are rather odd. I don't know enough about the genetics of the parents to know why some look the way they do, but it sure is interesting what you can get from seeds!

Brug 1: (Odd looking double blooms)

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Brug 2: (Large leaf, small double blooms)

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Brug 3: (Oddest one of all, reddish rough bark, very tall, small leaves and small double cream color blooms)

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Closer look at blooms:

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Closer look at bark. This tree is very sturdy and solid. I've never seen a brug quite like it:

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Brug 4: (Large leaves, decent-sized white single blooms)

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Closer look at blooms:

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Brug 5: (This brug grows like a dwarf plant. Very short. Odd leaves, nice-sized pink blooms, baby powder scent. It is also the most drought tolerant brug I've ever had. Doesn't like too much water.) I just realized looking at the photo that one of my pipevines is wrapping around it. Must remove those vines from this brug tomorrow!

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Brug 6: (Quite tall, upward branching brug with creamy double small blooms.)

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Closer look at blooms:

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Brug 7: (Short, wide branching brug with small white single blooms. I like the form of this one! Just wished the blooms were bigger!)

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Closer view of small blooms:

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Brug 8: (Ridiculously tall with large leaves, and double pink blooms. All these brugs are growing in 18 gallon plastic storage tubs.)

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Closer look at double blooms:

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Brug 9 Last one: (I believe this one is the sibling to #8. Another tall brug with large leaves and triple pink blooms. I like this one a lot!)

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Another photo standing underneath it and looking up:

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A close-up of the triple pink blooms:

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These seem to have quite a variety of characteristics. Most are very different from each other. It's been a fun adventure growing brug hybrids from seeds!
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Dec 23, 2014 7:07 AM CST
Have others here on the forum grown any brugs from seed? If so, do you have photos? I love to see what hybrids produce!!!
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Name: Brenda
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3left
Jan 5, 2015 2:20 PM CST
Becky.......thanks for posting your seedlings photos..........even tho you do not know the exact parentage, you have narrowed it with the list of crosses you have of what you planted, altho they will be NOIDS. It is nice to see what you got from the crosses you have. and you have a good percentage of doubles from your seedlings!

Brenda
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Rhapsody616
Jan 5, 2015 8:21 PM CST
The red bark is kind of cool. Who is she? Acorn
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Jan 5, 2015 11:26 PM CST
Brenda - I believe that one of the parents of those doubles were doubles or even triples themselves. So that may be why I had so many that are double blooms instead of single blooms.

Rhapsody - The red barked one is from seed (of which I am not sure of the parentage). But it is unusual and I had no idea some Brugs could have that color and texture of bark. I've never had a brug like that before. That is a new characteristic for a brug from my personal experience and perspective.
This is the list of possible crosses (from the seeds I purchased over a year ago) of the plants above. Again, I do NOT know which is which because of the containers being knocked over by my dear cat.:
- Rubirosa x Goldflame:
http://www.brugmansia.us/forums/index.php?/gallery/category/...
http://www.brugmansia.us/forums/index.php?/gallery/category/...
- Rubirosa x Lizzy:
http://www.brugmansia.us/forums/index.php?/gallery/category/...
http://www.brugmansia.us/forums/index.php?/gallery/category/...
- New Orleans Lady x Angels Goldface:
http://www.brugmansia.us/forums/index.php?/gallery/image/188...
http://www.brugmansia.us/forums/index.php?/gallery/image/368...
- New Orleans Lady x Double Dark Rosetta:
http://www.brugmansia.us/forums/index.php?/gallery/image/188...
http://www.brugmansia.us/forums/index.php?/gallery/category/...

The seeds came from Arghya Gardens in St. Petersburg, FL. They have an extensive collection, but mainly only sell seeds at certain times of the year. It really is fun to grow from seeds because you never know what you might get. I only have one with the red bark like that. I think some have shown genes from way back in their genetic line. It's been surprising to say the least.
http://www.arghyagardens.com/

Any ideas on some of mine as to which of the 4 crosses above that they might be?
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Name: Brenda
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3left
Jan 6, 2015 12:43 PM CST
Liz is a wonderful hybridizer and has registered many new brugs in her career as a hybridizer. One of her 'hottest' ones is Fruit Salad.

There is no way of knowing for sure. If you have seen some of the offspring I have from my crosses, you would know that anything goes. Altho, yes, it is a good guess that there was a double/triple parent with your seedlings. But there are some nice promising blossoms in your collection of seedlings.


Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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beckygardener
Jan 6, 2015 8:09 PM CST
I have seen many a cross of seeds by Liz for sale using their Fruit Salad Brugmansia. The only reason I didn't try those is that I believe Fruit Salad is a smaller bloom. (I really do prefer the larger blooms over smaller ones, the impact is so much more apparent and dramatic when in a bloom flush!)

(sigh....) I've had a few others tell me there is no way to tell which plant is which cross by sight ... I sure wished my cat hadn't messed up my tags. I'd sure like to know because then I can back-trace the genetics to see where some of the seedling's characteristics might have come from. The red bark has me VERY curious. Has anyone here seen red bark on any brug cultivars or species before?
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