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Sep 15, 2011 10:19 AM CST
Name: Angie
Concord, NC (zone 7)
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Just found this thread and appreciate all the input from everyone. DH and I took a "class" from our local extension office several years ago on composting and it was most informative. We made a compost pile and I ended up being the one who worked it, turned it, fed it, watered it. Since it was MY idea, I guess that was fair enough. Anyhow, we now have some small amount of compost ready to be sifted and applied to a few beds and another pile working. We'll start a third one this fall. We have LOTS of leaves in our neighborhood, but the oak leaves do take a long time to break down here, too.

Good stuff here!
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Sep 15, 2011 11:09 AM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
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I have a compost sifter but I'm usually too lazy to use it. I just mulch with the mostly finished compost while it's still in it's slightly chunky state. I just let it finish in the planting bed.

Well, at least I admit to being lazy.

Karen
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Sep 15, 2011 11:50 AM CST
Name: Jamie R
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Yes, I don't sift either (Hello Angie Hurray! ) but that may have something to do with climate because under the snow it seems to break down fine for spring. I also like a bit of texture because the soil has lots of clay so when the compost is worked in it keeps it from compacting too much. Not putting oakleaves or weed heads in. The weed heads I burn, the oakleaves .... well you see the pile up above. Mine is mostly kitchen scrap that I cut pretty small before they go out, dried plant stems, and corrigated cut into small pieces. Inky and I like to sit in the sun and cut up cardboard. The worms like it too!
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Sep 15, 2011 6:17 PM CST
Name: Angie
Concord, NC (zone 7)
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Hey, Jamie and Karen! I'm a lazy gardener, too, so I'll probably end up chunking the stuff right on in the bed and running it over with the Mantis later. But my intentions are to sift it to at least less than brick size, and yes, it does have lots of things growing on top.

BTW, I always add egg shells and sometimes if I can catch it before DH dumps it, I toss the cooled water I used to boil eggs in on the pile. Lots of good minerals in that water. Same with water used to boil corn or steam other veggies. I figure some of the good stuff gets into the water and should not be wasted, huh?

We've been using alfala pellets as our greens, along with grass clippings. And, Karen, at the house in Asheville, we found some snakes in February in the torpor state nesting in the compost pile, along with quite a few snake eggs!! I'm sure the folks in Tennessee heard my screaming! Rolling on the floor laughing
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Sep 15, 2011 7:40 PM CST
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I've speeded up the composting process of leaves with 42% nitrogen. I got
mine at the local feed store. After spreading the nitrogen on the leaves
I watered it well. Turned it in 3-5 days, watered again if it was dry. Usually
by day 10 or so it was ready to turn under or plant directly in it. If it still feels
hot to the touch you must, of course, wait until it is cool all the way thru.

Right now I'm using a polyresin compost bin that someone gave to me.
I have it setting on a sheet of very heavy plastic so I don't feed the weeds
close by. I use pelleted newpaper and corn cob cat litter so that goes in
as do the scraps from my kitchen that the dogs or cat won't eat and the
coffee grounds I get at work from about 2 pots of coffee a day. I
sometimes add some alfalfa meal too.

I feed my roses the egg shell, coffee grounds, banana peel, and orange
peeling mix in early spring thru mid summer too. I usually grind it into a
slurry and dig a trench around the outer edges of the rose bush to pour it
into. Then I cover it with dirt and put newspapers held down with bricks over
that to keep critters out of it and keep the chickens from eating all the worms.
You can do the same thing for your tomatoes.
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Sep 15, 2011 8:21 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
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>> I've speeded up the composting process of leaves with 42% nitrogen.

Ahh! Sounds like urea. I usd to use thqat (spareingly) when i could get it.

Now the coop denies having it for sale ... I wonder if the "post-9/11" world is the reason.

That's supposed to only apply to ammonium nitrate, but I bet urea could be mis-used too, if you knew how.
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Sep 15, 2011 11:47 PM CST
Name: Jamie R
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Good input. Yes, eggshells always but I never thought about using the water, good idea!
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Sep 16, 2011 4:49 AM CST
Name: Mary
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My compost bucket gets almost as much liquid as it does solids. Cold coffee, veggie water, leftover juice, whatever...if I make pasta, that water goes into the compost bucket as well. My neighbor mows my front yard for me and dumps the clippings in a pile behind the driveway. I dig a hole in the grass clippings, add some wood chips from the huge pile of woodchips I'm slowly spreading around the yard, and dump the compost bucket into it. More woodchips, then cover it all with more grass clippings.

It's not as moist as it should be, but eventually it will all decompose. I'm not in a hurry.
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Sep 16, 2011 10:09 AM CST
Name: Jamie R
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I don't put grass in it because my tractor just mulches it, maybe for that reason as well as all of the fruit peelings like melon rinds, the compost stays quite moist. I DO put in coffee grounds but don't add lots of moisture. However, vegetable water and egg water is a very good idea so I will start to reserve it for the purpose.
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Sep 16, 2011 11:02 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
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No sifting here! My plants are happy with the chunky variety of compost.

Rick, I feel so much safer now that I know you can't get urea.

Should dump the pot from blanching beans, etc., but can barely move it from stove to sink, so not so sure how I'm going to do that...

Ditto with the buckets from cleaning the aquarium... must be getting lazy in my old age! Rolling my eyes.
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Sep 16, 2011 11:45 PM CST
Name: Jamie R
Zone 5b, WI (Zone 5a)
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Rick, I believe you can add that on your own.
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Sep 18, 2011 11:30 PM CST
Name: Jamie R
Zone 5b, WI (Zone 5a)
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How much manure can I add (proportionatly) to my compost? AND, how much ahead if using it? I am getting ready to work it into the soil soon.
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Sep 19, 2011 4:39 PM CST
Name: Angie
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Is it aged manure, or fresh? Aged manure isn't as much of a concern (some people side dress with that stuff straight), but fresh can burn your plants. I believe it is considered a "green" because of the high nitrogen content, so it would make up part of the 1 portion of the 30:1 ratio. It is great for getting a cold pile cooking again! This would be a great time of year to add it, though, especially if you have access to a lot of leaves (I seem to remember a picture of Inky "helping" you rake?) or other browns, like leftover straw, to balance it out.
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Sep 19, 2011 5:21 PM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
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There can be concerns with using fresh manure on a food garden (like ecoli). So if you plan to use it on your veggie garden, you might want to google for more information.

I'm not knowledgeable about this. Since I don't use manure, it's not a subject I've given any attention to.

Karen
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Sep 19, 2011 10:17 PM CST
Name: Jamie R
Zone 5b, WI (Zone 5a)
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No, this bag along with some black dirt and sand sat behind the rear garage for at least 2 seasons. When I opened it it was dry, hard and full of roots so it is aged. I broke it up and added some to the compost but tore the roots (whatever they are) out. The rest of the bag sat partly open in the wheelbarrow while it rained gently for a day and 1/2, so I have some nice tea in there now. Today the sun was out and I uncovered the compost to stir it up and it was really pretty hot. Not using it for veggies (I'm primarily a perennial gardener) I just don't want to add components that might throw off the benefits. What do you tihink?

BTW, yes Angie, I have lots of leaves but mostly oak which don't break down well so instead, I add dried plant parts but most of my compost is egg shells, coffee grounds, veggie and fruit peelings and those kind of cast offs because I am vegetarian. I also dry plant material from the yard (that has no invasive seeds) and cut it up along with brown corrigated.

I do have lots of evergreens (pine and arborvite) and have been cutting up and adding some but am concerned about throwing the pH in the wrong direction. My soil tends to be neutral to alkiline though in my planting beds because when I put them in I was stupid and the guy I contracted brought me lots of clay. I have been ammending to the best of my ability and limited knowledge ever since. Let's just say it is not loom yet.

All advice is appreciated.
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Oct 6, 2011 1:05 PM CST
Name: Angie
Concord, NC (zone 7)
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This is why I love ATP, Cubits and, formerly, DG: for all the information and new ideas I get from reading various posts. It's a treasure chest of experience and advice and someone always has an answer to my many questions! Woohoo! Hurray!
I think that if ever a mortal heard the voice of God it would be in a garden at the cool of the day. ~F. Frankfort Moore, A Garden of Peace

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Oct 9, 2011 5:10 PM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
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I spread a batch of my finished compost today. It smelled wonderful. Also got some leaves from my maple tree, and some from two of my neighbors. 'Tis the season.

Karen
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Oct 25, 2011 10:23 PM CST
Name: Jamie R
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I've been working it into the soil as I've been planting and boo hooo ...ithe done batches are almost gone, it is Sooo lovely and fluffs nocely, I wish I had more. I'd love to top dress with it.
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Oct 26, 2011 5:55 AM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
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Yes, Jamie, that's the problem with home composting. No matter how much you make or for how many years, there's never enough.

I'm down to my last 5 gallon bucket of finished stuff to spread. Not enough.

Karen
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Oct 26, 2011 6:28 AM CST
Name: Alan
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With huge rose beds containing over 250 roses, not to mention the citrus tree's, bulbs, and other beds, I have never been able to make enough compost. I order it in by the dump truck load full, every other year. The price isn't that bad, 2 Tons, was $150. Much cheaper than buying it by the bag!! It's a really nice dark forest mulch mix...just love it, so do my plants : Hurray!

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