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Name: Vickie
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blue23rose
Jan 9, 2015 1:09 PM CST
I have some seedlings that got me wondering what I would name it if I registered one (several years from now Big Grin ). I was just reading up on the rules that became effective on January 1, 2013. I was surprised that a newly registered daylily cannot have the name of a previous Stout medal winner in its name.

For instance, the word "Playboy" cannot be used because a daylily with that name won the Stout medal in 1961. I bet a lot of names get kicked out because of that rule! There are three other names in the database with the name "Playboy" in them, but they were registered before this rule took effect.

Besides that, I was also surprised that there were so many rules. But as I read through them, they all made perfect sense and eliminates a lot of confusion.

All I've done in the past was check to make sure that a name hadn't been used before, but there is a lot more to naming a daylily than I previously thought.

Reading those possessive rules really taxed my pea-brain, though!
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Name: Teresa
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bluegrassmom
Jan 10, 2015 5:35 AM CST
Vickie, I have not read thru it but I have heard of preregistering a name. If you have a name, that you have your heart set on, maybe you check in to that. Wishing you a good yr with your seedlings!

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Name: Fred Manning
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spunky1
Jan 10, 2015 7:11 AM CST
All my registrations begin with LILLIAN'S (LILLIAN'S LYING TIME AGAIN). When I start to register a daylily in the fall I go to the AHS data base and search for (LYING TIME AGAIN) or what ever I want to name it, leaving off LILLIAN'S. I could use almost any name already in use by adding LILLIAN'S but choose not to do that.
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
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Hemlady
Jan 10, 2015 7:14 AM CST
I have done that too, using LIGHTHOUSE to begin several of my regristrations. Using a prefix from something in your area would prevent duplication. I have also used the prefix DOWNRIVER because my community is offered referred to as downriver from Detroit.
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Frillylily
Jan 11, 2015 11:34 AM CST
spunky1 said:All my registrations begin with LILLIAN'S (LILLIAN'S LYING TIME AGAIN). When I start to register a daylily in the fall I go to the AHS data base and search for (LYING TIME AGAIN) or what ever I want to name it, leaving off LILLIAN'S. I could use almost any name already in use by adding LILLIAN'S but choose not to do that.


Maybe I don't get it. but, if you have a plant win the stout medal award, then you will no longer be able to use Lillian's in your names?
Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jan 11, 2015 12:21 PM CST
That is a good question! I had not even thought of that, sounded great to me till you mentioned what would happen if that were to actually happen to a hybridizer (I am not one).
Name: Donald
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needrain
Jan 11, 2015 12:26 PM CST
Doesn't sound quite right to me somehow. It would mean if one of Fred's 'Lillian's' series won the Stout Medal, he could no longer use his tag on subsequent introductions. Surely that's not how it works? @Floota
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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jan 11, 2015 12:34 PM CST
I don't know what the odds are, but Fred might just use Fred's as a prefix from then on.
Name: Lisa Klette
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Lilydaydreamer
Jan 11, 2015 1:31 PM CST
Would love someone to clarify this.because if none of the words in the name can be used and the rule applies to all previous winners then there are a lot of words that cannot be used.

http://www.daylilies.org/stoutmedal.html

Gossard won last year with Heavenly Angel Ice. Does that mean heavenly, angel, and ice cannot be used? Webster's pink wonder won this year, so no more daylilies with pink in the name?? This does not seem right...anyone with more knowledge please chime in.

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Seedfork
Jan 11, 2015 1:42 PM CST
No, this can't be right! I just noticed Strawberry Candy 1998 and Custard Candy 1999.
1990 Fairy Tail Pink and 2014 Webster's Pink Wonder.
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Name: Lisa Klette
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Lilydaydreamer
Jan 11, 2015 1:57 PM CST
The rule is new as of 2013 and I just went and read it. The stout winner name cannot be within your name. I think this means I could not register

'strawberry candy treat'. Or 'custard candy dreams'

If I am reading it right, I could not register 'heavenly angel ice cream' but could register 'angel ice cream'
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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jan 11, 2015 2:11 PM CST
It appears the entire name cannot be used after the Stout medal is awarded. For example :"Strawberry Candy" is the full name so, "Strawberry Candy Custard" could not be used.
"Fairy Tail Pink" is the full name so "Fairy Tail Pink Wonder" would not be allowed.
I think the one word names is what caused the confusion. "Playboy" in 1961 for example could rule out a lot of names.
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Frillylily
Jan 11, 2015 3:57 PM CST
well as with many rules, I think it is just rules to have more rules. I see more confusion than benefit. As long the name isn't exactly the same-it is different.

Name: Fred Manning
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spunky1
Jan 11, 2015 3:59 PM CST
Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I am certainly not worried about that dilemma.
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Frillylily
Jan 11, 2015 4:07 PM CST
oh, you underestimate yourself Fred!
Name: Char
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Char
Jan 11, 2015 5:32 PM CST

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Lilydaydreamer said:The rule is new as of 2013 and I just went and read it. The stout winner name cannot be within your name. I think this means I could not register
'strawberry candy treat'. Or 'custard candy dreams'
If I am reading it right, I could not register 'heavenly angel ice cream' but could register 'angel ice cream'


Seedfork said:It appears the entire name cannot be used after the Stout medal is awarded. For example :"Strawberry Candy" is the full name so, "Strawberry Candy Custard" could not be used.
"Fairy Tail Pink" is the full name so "Fairy Tail Pink Wonder" would not be allowed.
I think the one word names is what caused the confusion. "Playboy" in 1961 for example could rule out a lot of names.
Sorry Cross posted.



Thumbs up Seed and Lisa are both reading the rule right. The entire name of an AHS Stout winner can not be used in the creation of a new name. The rule is copied below from the Naming rules for anyone who may not have read it.

Naming Rule #11
"The names of cultivars that have won the AHS Stout Medal may not be used with
any prefix or suffix to create a new name subsequent to the cultivar having won the award.
Example 1:‘Satin Glass’, 1968 Stout Medal Winner. ‘Satin Glass Slipper’, ‘Red Satin Glass’, and ‘Starlight Satin Glass’ are not allowed.
Example 2: ‘Playboy’, 1961 Stout Medal Winner. ‘Small World Playboy’s Bride’, and ‘Heavenly Playboy Racer’ and ‘Siloam Heavenly Playboy’ are not allowed
Example 3: ‘Skinwalker’, 2009 Stout Medal Winner. ‘Skinwalker Pretty Boy’, ‘Skinwalker Code Breaker’, and ‘Skinwalker Spirit Catcher’ are not allowed.
Example 4: ‘Bill Norris’, 2002 Stout Medal Winner.
Bill Norris’ Sister, ‘Bill Norris Kid’, ‘Mother of Bill Norris’ are not allowed."
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Frillylily
Jan 11, 2015 5:35 PM CST
not too bad if it is a phrase, but not reasonable for a single word.
Name: Char
Vermont (Zone 4b)
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Char
Jan 11, 2015 5:51 PM CST

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I agree The single word name does make it difficult because the word can't be used again. There are actually more single name Stout winners than I originally thought...

1950 HESPERUS (Sass 1940)
1952 POTENTATE (Nesmith 1943)
1953 REVOLUTE (Sass 1944)
1954 DAUNTLESS (Stout 1935)
1956 NARANJA (Wheeler 1947)
1961 PLAYBOY (Wheeler 1954)
1963 MULTNOMAH (Kraus 1954)
1966 CARTWHEELS (Fay 1956)
1971 RENEE (Dill 1962)
1972 HORTENSIA (Branch 1964)
1983 SABIE (MacMillan 1974)
2009 SKINWALKER (Roberts-N., 1997)
Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jan 11, 2015 5:53 PM CST
Well, at least they are not the most commonly used words, could have been a lot worse!
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Frillylily
Jan 11, 2015 7:08 PM CST
RENEE

as a person's name, that would be difficult to name a dl as a memorial to someone, some names are pretty common.

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