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Jan 15, 2015 7:58 PM CST
Name: Celia
West Valley City, Utah (Zone 7a)
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I noticed that Dauntless and Indian Chief each share one parent. Does anyone know the patentage of Numa Roumestan?
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Jan 15, 2015 8:04 PM CST
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Name: Greg Hodgkinson
Hanover PA (Zone 6b)
Garden Photography Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Region: Japan Region: Pennsylvania
It was hybridized by Ferdinand Cayeux and the AIS does not list any parentage.

However, it was found in the "Cayeux Chronicle" and this is what it said:

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Jan 16, 2015 8:15 AM CST
Name: Arlyn
Whiteside County, Illinois (Zone 5a)
Beekeeper Region: Illinois Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015
To further "muddy" the water around the "Indian Chief / other red iris".....don't forget 'Zuni".......it's another that's VERY similar

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This is Argyle Acres picture of Zuni, which, by the way is by the same hybridizer as IC.
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Jan 16, 2015 8:20 AM CST
Name: Celia
West Valley City, Utah (Zone 7a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Irises Plant Identifier Hummingbirder Birds
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Cat Lover Butterflies Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Oh dear...now there are 4...I wonder what crossing them would produce.
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Jan 16, 2015 8:23 AM CST
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Name: Greg Hodgkinson
Hanover PA (Zone 6b)
Garden Photography Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Region: Japan Region: Pennsylvania
Of the three in the article, I always thought Indian Chief had light/lighter standards than the other two. Zuni, which was introduced two years after IC, has even lighter standards than IC. Very interesting.
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Jan 16, 2015 8:24 AM CST
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Name: Greg Hodgkinson
Hanover PA (Zone 6b)
Garden Photography Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Region: Japan Region: Pennsylvania
btw - we don't have a picture of "Zuni" in the database Grumbling
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Jan 16, 2015 9:08 AM CST
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Name: Greg Hodgkinson
Hanover PA (Zone 6b)
Garden Photography Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Region: Japan Region: Pennsylvania
I just corrected my post showing that AIS did not have the parentage for "Numa Roumestan". The info was found in the "Cayeux Chronicle".

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Jan 16, 2015 9:18 AM CST
Name: Celia
West Valley City, Utah (Zone 7a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Irises Plant Identifier Hummingbirder Birds
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Thanks. Now I'm off to do some more looking!
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Jan 16, 2015 11:04 AM CST
Name: Marilyn
Central California (Zone 9b)
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Just catching up...great article Greg! It may just be the picture quality but I was immediately captivated but the color, pattern, and form of Dauntless. I may have to add that one to my order! Big Grin Thanks for sharing the article and posting the photos!
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Jan 16, 2015 11:15 AM CST
Name: Marilyn
Central California (Zone 9b)
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I looked up Numa Roumestan in the AIS iris encyclopedia and just had to share this photo. Take a look at the beard in this photo...it's very different from the other...and it's making this one another 'must have'! ...and I just noticed this photo was taken by Rick Tasco! Hurray! Hurray!

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Jan 17, 2015 5:42 AM CST
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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That pic looks very different from the others, I wonder why? Really pretty wine color there.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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Jan 17, 2015 7:52 AM CST
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Name: Greg Hodgkinson
Hanover PA (Zone 6b)
Garden Photography Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Region: Japan Region: Pennsylvania
The photo you linked to was not taken by Rick Tasco. It was done by the "Pickle Barrel" folks in Wisconsin I believe. The AIS site has two pictures posted for Numa, the other one is by Rick Tasco and is the same picture I posted to ATP.

Neal, the picture looks to be taken on a cloudy and rainey day which may account for a bit of the color difference. Then add the soil conditions.
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Jan 17, 2015 10:58 AM CST
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
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I like Numa especially because it is darker than the other two, and Zuni looks washed out in comparison. Just my preference though.
"The chimera is a one time happenstance event where the plant has a senior moment and forgets what it is doing." - Paul Black
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Jan 17, 2015 10:58 AM CST
Name: Celia
West Valley City, Utah (Zone 7a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Irises Plant Identifier Hummingbirder Birds
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I agree, Leslie.
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Jan 17, 2015 11:42 AM CST
Name: Marilyn
Central California (Zone 9b)
Annuals Irises Dog Lover Composter Cat Lover Region: California
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Oops, you're right Greg. I read it wrong. I still really like it. I hope it is blooming at Superstition this spring!
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Jan 17, 2015 11:50 AM CST
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Name: Greg Hodgkinson
Hanover PA (Zone 6b)
Garden Photography Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Region: Japan Region: Pennsylvania
They have it, can't imagine anything that won't bloom for them; but I guess it happens!
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Jan 17, 2015 12:30 PM CST
Name: Marilyn
Central California (Zone 9b)
Annuals Irises Dog Lover Composter Cat Lover Region: California
Butterflies Birds Bee Lover Enjoys or suffers hot summers Celebrating Gardening: 2015
It's just a matter of whether or not it happens to be blooming when I am up there. I went twice last year...but they said it was an odd bloom year. A fair number of the ones I wanted to see didn't bloom last year. I was particularly hoping to see Sammies Jammies! Maybe this year. Big Grin

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