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Name: Betsy
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piksihk
Jan 16, 2015 10:16 AM CST
I had a pack of these but they never germinated. Anyone growing these?
Would love to obtain more seeds.
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Name: woofie
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woofie
Jan 19, 2015 1:25 PM CST
I didn't have any luck germinating them, either. Anyone have any hints?
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Name: Ronnie
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luvsgrtdanes
Jan 20, 2015 12:16 PM CST
Trying them again this year. I've tried before and never any germination either...I'll post the details if they germinate!
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Name: Anne
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Xeramtheum
Jan 20, 2015 12:21 PM CST
I'm trying them too .. everything I've read says they want a cool start with warm finish and dark - also hard coat seeds that need nicking and soaking first.
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Name: Ronnie
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luvsgrtdanes
Jan 20, 2015 12:24 PM CST
Anne are you/have you W/S any? I think I may try 3 just to see what happens.
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Name: Anne
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Xeramtheum
Jan 20, 2015 1:08 PM CST
Haven't winter sowed any .. this will be my first attempt. When I do start them, I might soak one or 2 in some GA and see if that does anything .. I don't normally like to use GA on hard coat seeds because some of them go berserk and end up suiciding themselves because they can't get out of the seed coat as it hasn't had time to soften up .. with the GA ones, I'll actually make cuts around the whole seed.

Keep us informed about the Winter Sowing
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Name: Ronnie
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luvsgrtdanes
Jan 20, 2015 6:31 PM CST
Will do...
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Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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woofie
Jan 20, 2015 7:15 PM CST
Wait a minute. I just looked more closely at the name of these little guys. Tropaeolum. That's nasturtiums. Climbing nasturtiums, right? Hmmm, going to adjust my growing attempts accordingly. I can grow nasturtiums with no problem, but the seeds don't seem to keep well. Hmmm. Have to look at the date on the remaining seed packet I have.
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Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
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Xeramtheum
Jan 27, 2015 11:50 AM CST
Here's what Swallowtail Garden says for germination:

Scratch seed coat on sand paper, then soak in warm water for 72 hours. Change water daily. Sow ¼ deep in 2 inch pots. At 66-75°F. Germination in 6 - 8 weeks. Can direct sow in prepared seed beds after last frost.

I used toenail clippers to break the coat and now have them soaking. They will be planted on Saturday.

Hopefully, at least one of us who is trying them will get some to germinate!
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Name: Ronnie
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luvsgrtdanes
Jan 27, 2015 2:12 PM CST
I filed 7 seeds and have them soaking in some diluted fish emulsion and W/S 9.
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Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
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Xeramtheum
Jan 27, 2015 2:22 PM CST
Let's keep our fingers crossed!
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Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
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Xeramtheum
Jan 27, 2015 7:45 PM CST
Need some input here. The seeds I'm soaking have really plumped up in just 9 hours! Usually that means you should plant immediately. Wondering if I should go on and pot up or wait or plant a few and keep soaking the rest.

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Name: Ronnie
Southeastern PA (Zone 6b)
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luvsgrtdanes
Jan 27, 2015 8:38 PM CST
Oh they look good...my seed packet say 8+/- hours...after having morning glories rot I'd plant the plumpest ones and save a few.
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Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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woofie
Jan 28, 2015 10:09 AM CST
I agree with Ronnie, having had the same problem with some MGs.
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Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
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Xeramtheum
Jan 28, 2015 10:17 AM CST
I've never soaked MG seeds. I always nick them and stick them in the potting mix. The only time I get rot is when the seed coat hasn't softened up enough for the cotyledons to break the coat. I keep an eagle eye out for that and do 'surgery' to help the cots get free.

All of the soaking Tropaeolum peregrinum seeds were plumped up and breaking the seed coat so I went and potted them all up.
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Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
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Xeramtheum
Feb 11, 2015 9:36 AM CST
Sad to report that all of the seeds I planted rotted - so round 2 has begun following packet instructions to the letter. The packet said soak for 4 days and change water daily. It got me to thinking that the seed coats must contain a germination inhibitor - thus the long soak and water changes. I'll hold back 2 when ready to plant and keep soaking just to see if, like sweet peas, they'll germinate in the water. I'll probably use vermiculite to plant and drench a couple of cells daily to further dilute any germination inhibitors.
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Name: Ronnie
Southeastern PA (Zone 6b)
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luvsgrtdanes
Feb 11, 2015 12:08 PM CST
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It happens in a flash, but the memory of it last forever. It can not be borrowed or stolen, and it is of no earthly good until it is given away. So if in your hurry you meet someone who is too weary to smile, leave him one of yours, for no one needs a smile quite as much as he who has none to give...

Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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woofie
Feb 11, 2015 1:04 PM CST
You know, I've been doing a little looking around online for tips on germination for these guys. One site said to soak for no more than one day. Another said they did better if provided darkness to germinate, with a temperature of about 70 degrees. And I saw several mentions of just bad seeds. I know that Nasturtium seeds don't keep for much more than a year. Also, germination is supposed to occur within 7-14 days. It's a bit too early for me to try to start the ones I have, and they may be a bit too old; haven't gotten them out to look yet. I may have to order fresh ones.
Confidence is that feeling you have right before you do something really stupid.
Name: Ronnie
Southeastern PA (Zone 6b)
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I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Photo Contest Winner: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 1 I helped beta test the first seed swap Bookworm Bee Lover
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luvsgrtdanes
Feb 14, 2015 7:30 PM CST
It's been a little over two weeks for me and nothing yet...haven't dug them to see if they rotted but I'm not real hopeful Sad
It happens in a flash, but the memory of it last forever. It can not be borrowed or stolen, and it is of no earthly good until it is given away. So if in your hurry you meet someone who is too weary to smile, leave him one of yours, for no one needs a smile quite as much as he who has none to give...

Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
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Xeramtheum
Feb 14, 2015 7:40 PM CST
The packet says 4 - 6 weeks.
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