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Feb 14, 2015 8:27 PM CST
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
We have small flowered native Tropaeolum species in Chile (Tropaeolum tricolorum, T. azureum, T. ciliatum. T. hookerianum and many more). They are all perennials (form either a tuber or have fleshy roots). The size and appearance of the seeds is almost identical to T. peregrinum. I sow mine outdoors during Autumn, in a soil mix with plenty of grit or sharp sand to provide good drainage, which is essential. Rain has become very scarce for the last 6 years, so the soil is barely moist. I do not nick the seeds, nor do I let them swell in water. Maybe a tiny bit too much water is your problem.

I grew T. peregrinum some 10 years ago and had very good germination rates, Good luck with yours!
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Feb 14, 2015 8:34 PM CST
Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
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Thanks for the input!
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Feb 14, 2015 8:42 PM CST
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
You are welcome.
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Feb 14, 2015 9:31 PM CST
Name: Ronnie (Veronica)
Southeastern PA (Zone 6b)
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Feb 14, 2015 9:35 PM CST
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
My pleasure!
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Feb 15, 2015 11:41 AM CST
Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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I think that's a misprint on your package, Anne. Every other place I've looked, including Tom Clothier's site, says 7 to 14 days for germination.
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Feb 15, 2015 12:20 PM CST
Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
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That would be nice ... the seeds are from Swallowtail and they are usually right on .. in reading it again, it actually says 6 - 8 weeks along with a long soak first. I sowed mine in the vermiculite a few days ago and have aluminum foil on the top so they are in dark.

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Tom Clothier at hort.net says something else again.

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So I guess we all keep copious notes and whomever germinates first shout out and tell us how you did it!
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Feb 15, 2015 12:50 PM CST
Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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I went ahead and put just a few seeds in to soak, just to see what they do. Smiling Mine are a bit old, 2011, but one site I checked says they're supposed to be good for about 3 years.
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Mar 6, 2015 6:07 PM CST
Name: Ronnie (Veronica)
Southeastern PA (Zone 6b)
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My seeds also rotted Confused Hoping for something from the winter sown ones.
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Mar 6, 2015 6:33 PM CST
Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
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Ack! I was hoping to see someone successful! My 2nd batch is still hanging in there - no rot - but they aren't really doing anything else either.
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Mar 6, 2015 10:15 PM CST
Name: Ronnie (Veronica)
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Here's to hoping. Might get some more Shrug!
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Mar 7, 2015 8:44 AM CST
Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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Same with mine. Nothing happening. But they ARE older seeds. May have to get some fresh to try.
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Mar 9, 2015 11:38 AM CST
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Name: Betsy
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Well, I've sown seeds several times in the past two months and still zilch. Going to try again.
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Mar 9, 2015 1:36 PM CST
Name: Ronnie (Veronica)
Southeastern PA (Zone 6b)
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Just ordered some more...going to try them in straight vermiculite and darkness...
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Mar 9, 2015 2:27 PM CST
Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
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Ronnie, you might try taking a couple and soak them then peel off the seed coat ... I'm thinking the seed coat might have a germination inhibitor in it. I'm going to try that on my next go around along with some GA.
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Mar 9, 2015 8:04 PM CST
Name: Ronnie (Veronica)
Southeastern PA (Zone 6b)
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Thanks Anne I will give that a try.
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Mar 10, 2015 9:03 AM CST
Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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Well, well. I was getting ready to re-use the containers I had tried my canary seeds in and in digging in the soil to loosen it, I found ONE sprouted seed! Don't know if it will survive after being so rudely disturbed, but it was from the batch that I scratched the seed on sandpaper, then soaked for 24 hours with a bit of H2O2. I reseated it and watered with some warm water and tucked it into a heated flat. We shall see!
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Mar 10, 2015 9:25 AM CST
Name: Anne
Summerville, SC (Zone 8a)
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WTG!!!!! We have a winner!
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Mar 10, 2015 9:55 AM CST
Name: woofie
NE WA (Zone 5a)
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Oh, and for the record. The seeds were planted on 2-21. And this sprouted seed hadn't broken the surface yet. So that's 17 days so far.
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Mar 10, 2015 10:02 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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Love the looks of Canary Creeper (Tropaeolum peregrinum) Such pretty yellow blooms! I will look forward to hearing about everyones efforts with their seeds.
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