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Mar 2, 2015 7:04 AM CST
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Name: Char
Vermont (Zone 4b)
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I've really enjoyed reading each of these letter threads, I tip my hat to you. to everyone for the thoughtful and creative additions!
One "Z" this morning to get the last of our alphabet threads started.

When I first designed the display garden each area was a separate themed bed. There was a Candy bed for the "candy" series of daylilies and a Double or Nothing bed for double forms. The Earth, Wind and Fire bed had Mystical Rainbow, Earth Music, Desert Flame and others. The After Dark bed was for the naughty daylilies, Girls Night Out, Women Seeking Men, Pineapple Daiquiri, Long Legged Lap Dancer... Over the years all the theme beds have been rearranged, daylilies moved out to make room for new ones and the themes are gone. Some day, when I get serious about down sizing the display garden, I plan to do a few theme beds again. One theme I would like to do is a "Welcome to the Zoo" bed which might include...

Lions, Tigers and Bears.



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Mar 2, 2015 7:25 AM CST
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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"Zone" as in USDA Hardiness zones. We should all know what zone we are in because it is important for determining the hardiness of many plants. However according to this source below the USDA zones do not really apply to daylilies.
Go down to FAQ # 4
http://www.solarisfarms.com/Da...
I googled this assessment of USDA zones and daylilies and this was the only site I found stating this. Even university sites referenced USDA zones when discussing daylily hardiness. I could only find references to temperatures when determining USDA zones, and no particular plant types. Does anyone have any other sources for USDA zones applying only to woody type plants?
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Mar 2, 2015 7:55 AM CST
Missouri (Zone 6a)
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228 dl are registered that begin w the letter z
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Mar 2, 2015 8:11 AM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
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Seedfork said: Does anyone have any other sources for USDA zones applying only to woody type plants?


"A BRIEF HISTORY OF HARDINESS ZONES AND ZONE MAPS. A relatively
simple method used to visualize geographic patterns of the biological severity of low-temperature events is to map a climatological variable that closely
correlates with patterns of plant survival. Rehder (1927) developed the first such map for the United States, with a mapped zonation system that related winter minimum temperatures to the survival of specific woody plants. He roughly divided the temperate portion of the conterminous United States and southern Canada into eight zones based on the mean temperature of the coldest month, each zone spanning 2.8 degrees C (5 degrees F)."

The above quoted from Horticultural Applications of a Newly Revised
USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Map, 2012, Widrlechner et al. You can get the PDF by searching on Google, a direct link would be too long to include here.

Other factors do come into play with woody plant hardiness as well as herbaceous plant hardiness but the USDA zone system is based on air temperature minimums. The survival part of a daylily is the crown which is below ground, and not exposed to air temperature. If there's mulch or snow cover, then there is even more protection from air temperature. Where I am there is no freeze-thaw during winter, the ground stays frozen right through, so some daylilies can be hardy here but not so much in milder zones if they keep trying to grow in warmer spells.

Instead of using a zone map, one can instead use indicator plants that have been established for each zone. These are all woody plants. I can't get the USDA list to work right now, but here is the Cornell page for New York:
http://www.gardening.cornell.e...
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Mar 2, 2015 11:24 AM CST
Name: Marilyn, aka "Poly"
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Lovely themes, Char!

I have often fantasized about the themed beds that I would have, if I ever had the right property to do such a thing. I would keep the doubles in one bed (at one time, I had a bed of mostly doubles here). "Double or Nothing" is a wonderful name for such a bed. Lovey dubby

Interesting discussion about zones. I recall, many years ago, having arguments with a certain mail-order nursery wrt certain plants that I wanted. They were convinced that I was doomed to fail with these plants, since I live in Zone 9, and the plants were only rated to Zone 8. (Apart from not wanting a disappointed customer, I suspect they may also not have wanted to have issues with refunds or replacing plants.) I had to argue them into sending me the plants I wanted (I forget what they were... they may have included some daffodils); I may have (I can't remember) had to agree not to blame them if the plants failed - which, of course, they didn't. (At that time, that (East Coast) nursery had not yet come to the realization that Zone 9 in the arid West is a different thing entirely from Zone 9 in the humid South.)

I'm afraid that the only offering I have for today is zombie. *Blush*

Let me explain.

Last year I had several spring volunteer seedlings, all or most (I can't remember which) of them in certain form factor 4-5" black pots (recycled from online nursery orders). From spring through fall I watched one or another of these seedlings die (drought, rot, what have you), and kept notes as to which ones were still alive.

The pots (both live and "dead") lay out on the ground in my side yard until January (other things to do, no place yet to put the live ones once potted up), when I was able to get around to them. I had all of the "live" ones in one place so I took care of those, then went back later (by then, in was mid-February) and started cleaning up several pots of "dead" things (not just those seedlings).

One of those special pots had been tipped on its side; there were two labels on the ground nearby. One label indicated one of the spring volunteers (which was on my "dead" list), the other indicated a cross between a dormant and a Sev-Dor seedling of mine.

When I picked up the pot to go empty out the dirt, there, in the bottom (half the dirt was missing) was an emerging green shoot - which was not a weed, but clearly a daylily!

Uhhmmmm....

Maybe this was something that went into dormancy REALLY early Confused , and stayed that way until mid-February, or it was a zombie. *need fear icon here*

I put the seedling with the rest of the spring volunteers... you may be sure that I am keeping a close watch on it, though! Rolling on the floor laughing
Evaluating an iris seedling, hopefully for rebloom
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Mar 12, 2015 3:41 PM CST
Name: Vickie
southern Indiana (Zone 6b)
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Char, I loved visiting your zoo! Great job Thumbs up
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Feb 28, 2022 1:58 PM CST
Name: Sue
Austria
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No zoo here, but one Z:
Zuni Mountain - flowers late and makes a great input at the end of the season

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Mar 1, 2022 8:34 AM CST
Name: Dianne
Eagle Bay, New York (Zone 3b)
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So, decided to start at the 'end' of the alphabet and work backwards... no reason, just for kicks.

'Z' is for...

Zabriskie Point
I took one look at this (bought it from an AHS display garden) and knew 'Primal Scream' had to be one of the parents. And it was: pollen parent.

I also have 'Primal Scream'
and another off-spring, 'Outrageous'
There is just a flaming fire look that stands out with these, cannot miss them from across the other side of the gardens!

Hilarious! Laughing as myself ... I notice I keep switching between calling it my 'garden' vs. my 'gardens' -- Can't really decide whether the whole property is 'a garden' or each of the many themed gardens or sectional gardens count as it's own garden?

... the 'primary' garden, the 'leanto' garden, the 'kitchen' garden, the 'north border' garden, the 'hedge' garden, the 'corner' garden, the 'upper' garden ... Thinking Shrug!
Life is what happens while you are making other plans.
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Mar 1, 2022 11:06 AM CST
Name: Vickie
southern Indiana (Zone 6b)
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Hilarious!

Love those bright oranges!
May all your weeds be wildflowers. ~Author Unknown
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Mar 1, 2022 8:17 PM CST
Name: Zoia Bologovsky
Stoneham MA (Zone 6b)
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I think Outrageous is a Don Stevens plant from the 70s. He loved those hot, bright orange/reds including Hot Town and Holiday Delight
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Mar 2, 2022 8:15 AM CST
Name: Vickie
southern Indiana (Zone 6b)
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I love Outrageous! I've had it since around 2004-2005 and have given away many, many starts of it. It just keeps forming a nice clump.
May all your weeds be wildflowers. ~Author Unknown
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Mar 2, 2022 8:57 AM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
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We seem to have strayed from daylily terms beginning with Z to cultivars beginning with Z. Not surprising since there aren't many terms beginning with Z, the only one in the Daylily Dictionary is zygote:

https://daylilies.org/daylily-...

There aren't many in my plant terminology dictionary (Harris & Harris) either, just:

Zonate (marked or colored in circular rings or zones
Zoophilous (animal-pollinated)
Zygomorphic (bilaterally symmetrical
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Mar 2, 2022 10:38 AM CST
Name: Nan
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I was confused by this thread as well. It's listed in the Alphabet threads, though. Maybe not enough people had cultivars beginning with "z," so people started talking about terms beginning with "z." Just a guess.
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Mar 2, 2022 10:57 AM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
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DeweyRooter said: I was confused by this thread as well. It's listed in the Alphabet threads, though. Maybe not enough people had cultivars beginning with "z," so people started talking about terms beginning with "z." Just a guess.


This is an old thread from 2015 when we went through the alphabet for daylily terms, if you scroll back up to the top the subject is "Alphabet of Daylily Terms...Let's Talk About "Z".
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Mar 2, 2022 11:22 AM CST
Name: Sue
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Is there a special thread for Z-cultivars?
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Mar 2, 2022 11:34 AM CST
Name: Orion
Boston, MA (Zone 7a)
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I found this alphabet list:
The thread "List of Daylily Alphabet Theads" in Daylilies forum
But the "Z" one takes us back to this current thread.
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Mar 2, 2022 11:54 AM CST
Name: Zoia Bologovsky
Stoneham MA (Zone 6b)
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I guess this is the Z thread then. Just with some added benefits as there aren't many Z plants. I'm adding three however!

Zachary S Hickey


Ziggy Played Guitar


And I planted Zebra Power last Fall


If Zoia can't have some Z plants, there is something wrong with the world!
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Mar 2, 2022 11:58 AM CST
Name: Nan
southeast Georgia (Zone 8b)
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plasko20 said: I found this alphabet list:
The thread "List of Daylily Alphabet Theads" in Daylilies forum
But the "Z" one takes us back to this current thread.


Yes, this is what confused me.
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Mar 2, 2022 12:17 PM CST
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
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I searched the forum and I don't think there was/is a cultivar Z thread, or at least nothing came up. According to the AHS database there are 307 daylily cultivars starting with Z.
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Mar 2, 2022 1:20 PM CST
Name: Orion
Boston, MA (Zone 7a)
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I imagine at some point way back when, 2 independent threads were fused into 1 to consolidate the information. Shrug!
Regardless, it is good to see the photos of the Z cultivars.
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