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Mar 7, 2015 2:20 AM CST
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Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
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Mar 7, 2015 7:48 AM CST
Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 7a
Orchids Plumerias Cactus and Succulents Region: New Jersey Region: Pennsylvania Native Plants and Wildflowers
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probably hybrid of Epidendrum secundum type
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Mar 7, 2015 10:03 AM CST
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Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Thanks!
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Mar 8, 2015 12:43 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
I think I might have found a match. Epidendrum ibaguense..
https://www.google.be/search?q...
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Mar 8, 2015 7:34 AM CST
Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 7a
Orchids Plumerias Cactus and Succulents Region: New Jersey Region: Pennsylvania Native Plants and Wildflowers
Greenhouse Ponds Keeper of Koi Forum moderator Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Adeniums
I am looking at it again.
Now I learned some time ago that the blooms on ibaguense and also radicans are resupinate, while those belonging to the secundum type complex are non-resupinate. That means when you look at an individual bloom, the column and lip would face upwards on secundum, while while facing downwards on ibaguense and also on radicans. Yours faces upwards - looking at the cute orange yellow lip, it is definitely up. That means it is not ibaguense.
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Mar 8, 2015 9:51 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
Thanks for the explanation Ursula, but I'm not familiar with the terminology used; 'secundum' does it mean a 1st generation of hybrid derived from two different species of Epidendrum? A first generation hybrid..
The genus name Epidendrum would still apply then?
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Mar 8, 2015 10:10 AM CST
Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 7a
Orchids Plumerias Cactus and Succulents Region: New Jersey Region: Pennsylvania Native Plants and Wildflowers
Greenhouse Ponds Keeper of Koi Forum moderator Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Adeniums
It is an Epidendrum. It seems there are a few Epidendrum secundum types, ( lower case implies species) depending where in South America you look. I would think you look at small local differences, hence secundum is many times referred to as secundum type complex.
I wouldn't know what exactly applies to your plant, is it secundum type species, or is it a very closely related hybrid with a secundum type.
One thing is certain, it is not radicans or ibaguense. Smiling
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Mar 8, 2015 10:24 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
maybe a 'subspecies' would then mean the same as a 'secundum' type?
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Mar 8, 2015 10:33 AM CST
Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 7a
Orchids Plumerias Cactus and Succulents Region: New Jersey Region: Pennsylvania Native Plants and Wildflowers
Greenhouse Ponds Keeper of Koi Forum moderator Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Adeniums
Perhaps. I just wouldn't feel comfortable nailing a definite 100 % id to this.
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Mar 8, 2015 10:38 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
This is all very complex indeed, thank you Ursula! Smiling
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Mar 8, 2015 11:21 AM CST
Name: Ursula
Fair Lawn NJ, zone 7a
Orchids Plumerias Cactus and Succulents Region: New Jersey Region: Pennsylvania Native Plants and Wildflowers
Greenhouse Ponds Keeper of Koi Forum moderator Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Adeniums
You are welcome, I did my best! Smiling
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