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Mar 13, 2015 7:26 AM CST
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GardenGoober said:

What did she do that they hung her?!! Yikes!! Blinking



LOL -- it was a "he," and I dunno -- probably cheated at cards or something!
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Mar 17, 2015 12:52 PM CST
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dyzzypyxxy said:<a lightbulb flashes on over my head> Maybe you could 'encourage' your DH to ride his 4-wheeler around the veggie patch on a regular basis. It might tear up the soil and compress the tree roots which would slow them down from invading your veggie garden area . . . a win-win??

Looks like a rather rural area. Do you have deer and rabbits around? You also may need a fence in that case or the critters will be the only ones enjoying the fruits of all those seedlings.


I'm sure that wouldn't take much convincing. lol.

Oh yes! We have deer, possum, raccoons,, LOTS of squirrels and rabbits. Don't know if coyote or wolves will bother the plants, but we have those too.

I told DH I want to build a screen/green room around the garden with wire mesh screening and lattice across the bottom third, and chicken wire around the top two thirds AND across the top. lol. Wish I had a picture of his expression. lol. I had a container garden several years ago on the deck at our last home and the birds got to my strawberries before I could. I even had a pop-up plant cover made of screening (see pic below) over them and the freakin' little rodents (squirrels) chewed a hole through the tent!!! That's why I want to add lattice AND wire mesh screening so nothing but bees can get in!

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Mar 17, 2015 1:08 PM CST
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UPDATED PHOTOS of the BABIES!!

Sorry I've been MIA lately but work has crazy and we also had company, so I've been a wee bit busy.

The babies are thriving. Below are pics taken today. I have three trays out on the porch trying to harden them off.
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DH built me a cold frame, so NEW EXPERIENCE here! Do I harden them before they go in the cold frame or is that just for planting in the ground?
Which plants can I put in the cold frame now? Are spinach, collards, kale, cabbage, and lettuce okay?
Green beans - when can they be planted in the garden? I know they need lots of room.

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Thanks!! Smiling
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Mar 17, 2015 1:13 PM CST
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RickCorey said:Maye there is a secret in your potting/seedling soil mix:

>> I basically just pulled the clump out of the plug, held it over a paper towel and they just fell apart in my hand.

Sounds like a great mix to me!


I meant to comment on this earlier, but it kept slipping my mind ... or my mind kept slipping into neutral, not sure which! Whistling It's actually the little peat pods, or whatever they are called, that come in the seed starter kits. The pods in the Jiffy tray are lined and they are not as easy to split apart, but the Burpee trays are a breeze to pull out and pull apart. Thumbs up
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Mar 17, 2015 1:49 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
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Thank you. After one experience with "expanding peat pellets" and one experience with "peat pots", I went back to plastic.

>> DH built me a cold frame, so NEW EXPERIENCE here! Do I harden them before they go in the cold frame or is that just for planting in the ground?

The cold frame is intended to be somewhat warmer than the surroundings, and immune to harsh, drying winds. Thus you would put seedlings into the cod frame BEFORE it was practical to harden them in the cold, dry, windy outdoors.

A cold frame is like a gradual hardening off - a gentler form of "the outdoors" where you can park seedlings until the weather is warm enough to leave seedlings outside the cold frame.

I would suggest some kind of "practice" with the cold frame before putting your favorite seedlings into it. When I hear "Georgia", I think of sun, warm days and peaches. If the cold frames are unvented, unshaded and face South (or SE or SW), you might want to be ready to eat steamed seedlings if a warm day comes along unexpectedly.

- How hot does it get on a clear day when the un-shaded sun shines directly on the cold frame? Too hot?

- How do you vent the cold frame to prevent "steaming" the plants? Crack the lid in the morning before going to work? There are "gas cylinders" that expand at a certain temperature, and they can be used to open vents when the high point inside the frame reaches, for example, 75 or 80 F.

- How cold does the frame get at night, on your coldest, windy night? Does it hold enough heat from the daytime that your seedlings can take the cold?

A small electronic thermometer with "highest" and "lowest" temperature memory would be one way to "proof test" your new cold frames, and learn when you need to open it up, or when you need to throw an old sheet or moving blanket over the frame.

Alternatively, pick some extra seedlings that you can spare, and park those "volunteers" in the sunniest, or the coldest, parts of the frame. Then watch the extras to see if they freeze, cook or go into sullen shut-down from too-cool or too-shady conditions.

I think the first year might be a "learning year" for cold frames.
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Mar 17, 2015 2:54 PM CST
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RickCorey said:The cold frame is intended to be somewhat warmer than the surroundings, and immune to harsh, drying winds. Thus you would put seedlings into the cod frame BEFORE it was practical to harden them in the cold, dry, windy outdoors.

A cold frame is like a gradual hardening off - a gentler form of "the outdoors" where you can park seedlings until the weather is warm enough to leave seedlings outside the cold frame.


Hmmmm... its 82° today! Glare

RickCorey said:..., you might want to be ready to eat steamed seedlings...


HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Rolling on the floor laughing

RickCorey said: ...if a warm day comes along unexpectedly.


Ha! Like yesterday and today! Our weather is bi-polar. Click to see highs and lows. Although Accuweather says it's 77°, I can tell you based on three different thermometers, once of which is an old fashioned mercury filled one, it's 82°... and GORGEOUS!! I have all the windows open and the breeze is glorious!! Hurray!
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RickCorey said: - How hot does it get on a clear day when the un-shaded sun shines directly on the cold frame? Too hot?

- How do you vent the cold frame to prevent "steaming" the plants? Crack the lid in the morning before going to work? There are "gas cylinders" that expand at a certain temperature, and they can be used to open vents when the high point inside the frame reaches, for example, 75 or 80 F.

- How cold does the frame get at night, on your coldest, windy night? Does it hold enough heat from the daytime that your seedlings can take the cold?


- How hot on a clear day when un-shaded? . Shrug!
- How is it vented? Below the front of the glass all across the front is a gap about 2" or 3". Good to know about the gas cylinders though. I'll check into those.
- How cold does the frame get at night on coldest windy nights? Shrug! Does it hold enough heat from the daytime? Shrug!

RickCorey said:A small electronic thermometer with "highest" and "lowest" temperature memory would be one way to "proof test" your new cold frames, and learn when you need to open it up, or when you need to throw an old sheet or moving blanket over the frame.


I actually have two remote sensor thermometers; one on my kitchen porch that says it's 82° right now and one on my front porch that says it's 80° there. I can move one of the transmitters into the cold frame, reset the receiver to wipe out any history and see how that goes!! Smiling

RickCorey said:Alternatively, pick some extra seedlings that you can spare, and park those "volunteers" in the sunniest, or the coldest, parts of the frame. Then watch the extras to see if they freeze, cook or go into sullen shut-down from too-cool or too-shady conditions.


I think I can muster up a few seedlings to spare. lol!!

RickCorey said:I think the first year might be a "learning year" for cold frames.


Yeah, and starting seeds!! =D

Thanks Rick! Appreciate the info. I'll plant a few tonight and see how they fare in the morning.
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Mar 17, 2015 6:35 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
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Tori, good advice from Rick about the cold frame... what are your nighttime lows now? The spinach, collards, kale, cabbage and lettuce may well be able to be outside now, once acclimated a bit. Generally when I put plants out in the garden, pretty much regardless of whether it's early in the season or even later on, I cover them with "floating row cover" (Reemay is one brand); it protects them from wind, from sunburn, and helps hold some moisture in the ground as well. A cold frame, on the other hand, really concentrates the heat... even in my unheated hoop house (a plastic-covered hoop frame) the temp got up to 79 today while the outside temp was only 40 -- on a fully sunny day, with lots of snow still on the ground here. I would definitely recommend leaving the cold frame very well ventilated unless the temp is going below freezing.
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Mar 17, 2015 6:47 PM CST
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I pretty much gave up on cold frames because I didn't have the automatic openers and I always fried my stuff! You have to pay close attention. It's hard enough with a greenhouse with automated openers! I like the floating row cover better. I just got a huge roll from Greenhouse Megastore.
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Mar 17, 2015 7:04 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
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>> - >> - How is it vented?
>> Below the front of the glass all across the front is a gap about 2" or 3".

Yikes! No steamed microgreens for you!

Umm, maybe that gap puts the emphasis on the word "cold" in your cold frame. A 2" gap, especially at a high point, assures relatively little heat accumulation.

What you have now is probably safer than a tightly-sealed frame. It sounds safe from the Noon-day sun, but if you were also worrying about cold nights, the frame won't carry very MUCH residual heat into the nighttime.

If you are like me and easily forgetful when rushed, "permanently vented:" is better than "maybe I'll remember to raise the lid on days that might become sunny, and remember to lower the lid hours before sundown on any day likely to turn cold overnight". Otherwise, I would only have cooked or frozen vegetables.

One reason I haven't gone crazy making low hoop tunnels is that I KNOW I would forget more often than not, and doom my poor seedlings to temperature extremes galore.

Yours will shield plants from drying or chilling winds, and should moderate the night-time cold by at least a little, but right now the "permanently vented" feature makes it more of a sheltered-from-the-wind hardening-off-zone than a "keep them above 32 F despite hard frosts" warmth-providing shelter.

Or I might be wrong. Maybe the frame plus all that sun does warm up the soil enough to carry plants comfortably through a cold snap.

Remote thermometers! Nice! I used to daydream about cell-phone enabled automatic and remote controllers with little stepper motors to open and close vents ... but other people have already done that, for prices affordable by professional greenhouse operators, so that's no fun.

Listen to the voices of experience like Arlene and Sandy! Experience trumps theory.
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RickCorey said:
>> - >> - How is it vented?
>> Below the front of the glass all across the front is a gap about 2" or 3".

Yikes! No steamed microgreens for you!

Umm, maybe that gap puts the emphasis on the word "cold" in your cold frame. A 2" gap, especially at a high point, assures relatively little heat accumulation.


You are hilarious! Actually, the gap was not intended to be a vent; it's just not finished yet. DH told me he ran out of wood so I told him I would pick up a piece of that black foam insulator tube stuff that goes around pipes. Kind of a smaller version of a pool noodle. Then when it's cold, I could slip it over the edge to fill the gap and when it's too hot, leave it off.

RickCorey said:What you have now is probably safer than a tightly-sealed frame. It sounds safe from the Noon-day sun, but if you were also worrying about cold nights, the frame won't carry very MUCH residual heat into the nighttime.


I figured between the foam tubing and a heavy moving blanket that we have, it would probably retain the heat, but the way the weather is looking, I'm not sure it's going to get all that cold. It's 10:47pm and it's still 70°!!

RickCorey said:If you are like me and easily forgetful when rushed, "permanently vented:" is better than "maybe I'll remember to raise the lid on days that might become sunny, and remember to lower the lid hours before sundown on any day likely to turn cold overnight". Otherwise, I would only have cooked or frozen vegetables.


LOL!! I will definitely look into the automatic doohickey. I'm also going to investigate the floating row covers that Arlene and Sandy mentioned above. Sounds like a plan too.

RickCorey said:One reason I haven't gone crazy making low hoop tunnels is that I KNOW I would forget more often than not, and doom my poor seedlings to temperature extremes galore.

Yours will shield plants from drying or chilling winds, and should moderate the night-time cold by at least a little, but right now the "permanently vented" feature makes it more of a sheltered-from-the-wind hardening-off-zone than a "keep them above 32 F despite hard frosts" warmth-providing shelter.

Or I might be wrong. Maybe the frame plus all that sun does warm up the soil enough to carry plants comfortably through a cold snap.

Remote thermometers! Nice! I used to daydream about cell-phone enabled automatic and remote controllers with little stepper motors to open and close vents ... but other people have already done that, for prices affordable by professional greenhouse operators, so that's no fun.

Listen to the voices of experience like Arlene and Sandy! Experience trumps theory.


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Mar 18, 2015 3:00 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
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I've heard of widgets that people push in to prop a lid UP, but yours is the first time I heard of an insulating gap-filler that has to be pushed in to SEAL the gap.

I like your idea, especially when the main risk is heat, not cold.

Do you think you'll use them next winter to start some plants super-early?
Or sow some cold-hardy greens inside the frame in late fall, and plan to harvest them on into winter?
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RickCorey said:I've heard of widgets that people push in to prop a lid UP, but yours is the first time I heard of an insulating gap-filler that has to be pushed in to SEAL the gap.

I like your idea, especially when the main risk is heat, not cold.

Do you think you'll use them next winter to start some plants super-early?
Or sow some cold-hardy greens inside the frame in late fall, and plan to harvest them on into winter?


Probably cold-hardy greens since I consumes tons of kale and spinach for juicing. I might line the insides of the cold frame with flat stone (since we have no loss of rock and stone on our property) to retain heat in the winter. I'm still learning. I'd eventually like to use it for early starts, but we'll wait until I know what I'm doing before I venture into that. I need to master putting 1-2 seeds in the seed starter cells!! lol. =]
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Mar 19, 2015 4:34 PM CST
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Well, sometimes I go crazy and put 3 seeds in a cell, Tori. nodding It's twice as hard to 'abort' the two weaker seedlings . . but we must harden our hearts and do our thinning. Your baby plants are looking great btw. Still lots of thinning to do though, huh?

Cold frames can be terrific, if you get the hang of using them at the right times of year. They can extend the fall season for some plants, and let you start things early in spring. But as Rick and others already commented, they can be tricky, and one sunny day of the lid falling down when you didn't mean it to, your seedlings are toast! One cold night when you forget to close it, plantcicles. Very unforgiving.

Maybe use your phone to remind you when to open and close the frame according to the weather? Cold mornings, you can leave it closed until mid-morning when the sun reaches it, long evenings you can leave it open for air if it has really warmed up. On a cool, cloudy day you might want to leave it closed all day. Sort of depends what all you are growing in there, so probably a good idea to grow only 'cool' loving plants in the frame together, or only 'warm' lovers. Mixing the two, somebody's going to be unhappy.

Lining it with rock sounds like a great idea for creating a dense heat sink for winter growing!
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Mar 19, 2015 7:25 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
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GardenGoober said:Probably cold-hardy greens since I consumes tons of kale and spinach for juicing.


Cold frames would be good for that, especially extending fall into winter.

You might try Tyfon for juicing, it is supposed to be very mild flavor but grows so fast that one author said you could feed the whole Red Army from a patch the size of a coffee table. It is vvery ccccold hhhhardy. It's a cross between stubble turnips and Chinese cabbage.

http://www.superseeds.com/holl...
http://blueboathome.com/blogs/...


GardenGoober said:...
I need to master putting 1-2 seeds in the seed starter cells!!


You're a gardener! You don't "NEED" to do anything the way others do!

After all, no one looks at a flower and gushes "That looks EXACTLY LIKE every other flower I've ever seen!" Be like Frank Sinatra and "Do It YOUR Way!"
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dyzzypyxxy said:Well, sometimes I go crazy and put 3 seeds in a cell, Tori. :nodding:

You wild woman! lol!

dyzzypyxxy said: It's twice as hard to 'abort' the two weaker seedlings . . but we must harden our hearts and do our thinning. Your baby plants are looking great btw. Still lots of thinning to do though, huh?

I'm thinning, the problem is I'm not aborting. I keep thinning them down to bigger pots and have a list of people who want them. This has become quite the project. I'm starting to see the logic in 2-3 seeds per cell!! By the time this growing season is over, I'll probably go back to the farmer's market!!! nodding

dyzzypyxxy said:Cold frames can be terrific, if you get the hang of using them at the right times of year. They can extend the fall season for some plants, and let you start things early in spring. But as Rick and others already commented, they can be tricky, and one sunny day of the lid falling down when you didn't mean it to, your seedlings are toast! One cold night when you forget to close it, plantcicles. Very unforgiving.

lol. Plantcicles! lol!! I was just on Amazon checking out the Univent Automatic Vent Opener and the Cold Frame: Automatic Opener Arm. The top part of our cold frame is our old shower door and I don't know how much it weighs, so I have to check with DH to find that out before I can order one. Then I won't have to worry about it.

dyzzypyxxy said:Maybe use your phone to remind you when to open and close the frame according to the weather?

That won't work. I have a reminder on my phone to take the trash down to the road on Wednesday evenings. When I get the reminder notification, DH is usually no where around. By the time I see him, I totally forget to remind him. lol. Rolling my eyes. Our trash was not picked up today because we forgot to bring the can down to the road last night. Thumbs down

dyzzypyxxy said:Cold mornings, you can leave it closed until mid-morning when the sun reaches it, long evenings you can leave it open for air if it has really warmed up. On a cool, cloudy day you might want to leave it closed all day. Sort of depends what all you are growing in there, so probably a good idea to grow only 'cool' loving plants in the frame together, or only 'warm' lovers. Mixing the two, somebody's going to be unhappy.

The more I think about it, I'll probably use it to harden seedlings before it's warm enough to put them in the garden. Or I can easily life the glass door off and just use it as a garden bed and in the fall, put the door back on use it to extend my greens season. I have all kinds of ideas; however, making them reality is another story in itself. Glare

dyzzypyxxy said:Lining it with rock sounds like a great idea for creating a dense heat sink for winter growing!

I read it online somewhere and it seemed like a good idea. I saw this article today in Mother Earth News and thought that was a pretty good idea making the cold frame out of bricks.
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RickCorey said:Cold frames would be good for that, especially extending fall into winter.

You might try Tyfon for juicing, it is supposed to be very mild flavor but grows so fast that one author said you could feed the whole Red Army from a patch the size of a coffee table. It is vvery ccccold hhhhardy. It's a cross between stubble turnips and Chinese cabbage.

http://www.superseeds.com/holl...
http://blueboathome.com/blogs/...


Have you ever tasted it? I wonder how it would taste in juice. Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Smiling

RickCorey said:You're a gardener! You don't "NEED" to do anything the way others do!

Actually, with all the time I've invested in thinning seedlings that I'm going to end up giving away, yeah... think I "NEED" to restrain myself! nodding

RickCorey said:After all, no one looks at a flower and gushes "That looks EXACTLY LIKE every other flower I've ever seen!" Be like Frank Sinatra and "Do It YOUR Way!"

Ha! Ohhh, I'm doing it my way alright but it's not the best way for sure!! And the little suckers just keep growing! They won't croak. If they start to die off, then I'd have no problem aborting them, but since I started this mess, I think I've actually disposed of maybe 1/8 cup worth of seedlings. Mostly because they were dismembered! Sad
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Mar 20, 2015 10:04 AM CST
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I threw away one seedling this morning. Hilarious! Now I have to go wash some more pots...
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Mar 20, 2015 10:30 AM CST
Name: Rick Corey
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I missed a whole year of growing due to work being busy and other intrusions from "life" into gardening, so I didn't plant Tyfon after finding the seeds. But it's high on my list of procrastinated things this year!
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Oh, Rick, I meant to tell you, I planted a few of the Yu Choy seeds you sent, and the darn things sprouted in TWO days!
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Mar 20, 2015 7:18 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
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Oh, yeah! Love those Brassicas!

I'd love to know which exact variety they were (40-day, 80-day, big-stem ...) because some of those are multiple years old. if they emerged in 2 days, they must still be pretty healthy!

I would watch them closely, because the Yu Choy Sum are designed (or selected) to produce mostly flowering stalks (called a delicacy). They might bolt at a very young age, but they are supposed to be eaten while bolting, just before most of the flowers open up.

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