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Apr 21, 2015 9:28 AM CST
Name: Mary Stella
Chester, VA (Zone 7b)
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Ken, I saw a bulb of garlic laying more or less on top of the mulch in the raised bed. When I picked it up it had a green shoot on it. I just stuffed it down into the mulch dirt. So it looks like at least some will grow despite heavy snow yesterday with 2" remaining on the ground this morning. About 32F.
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Apr 21, 2015 9:49 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Was it a "bulb" or a "clove", Mary?
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Apr 21, 2015 2:40 PM CST
Name: Mary Stella
Chester, VA (Zone 7b)
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It was a clove.
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Apr 21, 2015 3:57 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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OK, better, Mary. Thumbs up

What you may get is just growth of that single clove. It may not develop the bulb. When you dig it up (when 1/2 the leaves have turned brown) let us know what you find.
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Apr 21, 2015 9:26 PM CST
Name: Sherrill
Elk Grove, CA (Zone 9b)
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I live in Northern California and planted my "Music" garlic in October. The garlic has been growing great. I just noticed some rust on the leaves today and panicked. I cut off all the leaves from the infected plants and threw them in the trash.
I planted 48 cloves and half were infected with rust. I understand I will not be able to use this raised planter to grow garlic for three years due to the rust spores. Has anyone had similar problems? What did you do? Will the garlic be ok.
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Apr 22, 2015 5:49 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I don't know, Sherrill. I sure hate you had a rust problem. In my (only) four years growing garlic, and it is all grown in the same raised bed and large pots, I have never noticed any rust. I would not imagine that the rust would affect the quality of your garlic, but again, I just don't know. I wonder whether you can "treat" that raised bed and eliminate the spores before your next planting? I will have to do a little digging (no pun intended) and become more knowledgeable about rust.
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Apr 22, 2015 7:53 AM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
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I had never even heard of this being a problem -- but apparently it is mainly in the PNW here in the US ?

These articles seem to have pretty good information, but it doesn't sound too hopeful to me Sad

http://pnwhandbooks.org/plantd...

http://homeguides.sfgate.com/n...

Sherrill, I would suggest contacting the Extension Service in your county -- someone there should be knowledgeable about this garlic disease. I really hope you can find some answers and be able to continue to grow garlic. I wonder if using drip irrigation and planting through small holes in a layer of plastic or landscape fabric (to keep soil from being splashed up onto the plants), in a planter filled with fresh soil, would be helpful -- ?
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Apr 22, 2015 10:16 AM CST
Name: Mary Stella
Chester, VA (Zone 7b)
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The garlic lady who presented a workshop on garlic last year was adamant (almost vitriolic) about not buying garlic from outside (lower 48) due to the rust problem. She had one and only one supplier for the botanical garden and for resale to ABG members - well, anyone who came there and wanted garlic.

Ken, why do you say I may not get a bulb from my garlic cloves? Because they aren't well developed at this point? Will the single clove just get bigger? Strange way to grow garlic. The ABG has a nice bed of garlic by the front gate that does well each year (as seen when I attended the garlic workshop mentioned above).
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Apr 22, 2015 11:27 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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I am only guessing at what might occur, Mary. Down here, and we have completely different growing conditions than you do in Anchorage, we plant our garlic in the fall, and during the fall, winter, and early spring, those single cloves develop into full bulbs. I find that an amazing process. When we plant in the late winter/early spring, those cloves are supposed to simply grow larger, but not divide into full bulbs. That's what my PhD vegetable expert told me a few weeks ago. I don't know this for a fact, but I did this late-planting and will know what happens with those cloves by late summer. It's just another one of my "experiments". Whistling

I have never seen rust on any of my garlic leaves, so I don't have a clue why that occurs. It seems to be a problem in the west though, but again, why, I don't know.
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Apr 22, 2015 12:10 PM CST
Name: Mary Stella
Chester, VA (Zone 7b)
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Ok I will ask at the ABG what their garlic does. I am assuming they plant in the fall - but you know about assumptions. I would agree if the little cloves have not grown by now then they will simply get larger. Next year I will be more careful and perhaps plant in the ground rather than in the raised bed. Not much protection there from the cold especially with the lack of snow this year.
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Apr 22, 2015 12:15 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Absolutely, Mary, let the ABG guide you with this. They have loads of experience growing in your conditions. I have to do a lot of guessing. Whistling
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Apr 22, 2015 12:21 PM CST
Name: Mary Stella
Chester, VA (Zone 7b)
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True but you do get information from formally trained persons. Still, it is fun to listen to anecdotal experiences. Even if they are from Florida or Georgia. Rolling on the floor laughing Sometimes it is actually very helpful. The timing of things would be one of the biggest differences for me up here compared with what you all are doing down there. Even compared to Washington or Oregon. But how to grow seeds, potting methods, ways of extending the season - - those are all good things to read about. That and drooling over gorgeous flowers when my ground is still frozen. Sighing! Sighing!
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Apr 22, 2015 2:29 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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MISSSISSIPPI, Mary! Floridians and Georgians are uppity folks....... Whistling
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Apr 22, 2015 3:53 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
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My gosh, Ken -- the name of your state looks even worse when it's in all caps... oh, maybe it's because there are 3 S's together, no wonder I was going kind of cross-eyed Rolling on the floor laughing

Mary, I believe that clove that you shoved back into the ground will make a bulb -- it's been there all winter and has started developing roots and a sprout already; the only ones I've ever had just grow into a big single clove were ones that I didn't plant until about this time of year, from garlic I had left over from last year. And, even if it does just make a single big clove, mine were actually pretty nice -- they didn't look like the usual "cloves," they were nice round balls about 1" or so in diameter.
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Apr 22, 2015 4:01 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Whoops.........

You have given me some information I did not know, Sandy. I planted around 50 cloves last month in three Earth Boxes just to see what they would do. Now I know to expect large cloves. I was assured by one of our university horticulturist, whose specialty is vegetables, that I would never get actual bulbs from this experiment, but I still wanted to see what would happen. I like experiments! Thumbs up
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Apr 22, 2015 4:08 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
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Well, who knows, Ken? Still worth the experiment to see what you're own experience shows. If you only get the big cloves like I did, I wouldn't consider that a disaster. And if I believed everything I read or heard I probably never would have tried softneck garlic, or the Creole type... I'm a huge fan of questioning the conventional wisdom!! Thumbs up
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Apr 22, 2015 6:18 PM CST
Name: Linda
Carmel, IN (Zone 5b)
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A couple of years ago, I'd planted some cloves and totally forgotten about them. They didn't grow much that first season. Anyway, the next year they all sprouted multiple sprouts (unlike the single stem/leaves that usually come up). We kind of assumed that there was more than one clove now, and they were all sending up shoots. We were correct in our assumption.

We dug then after the 2nd season, and had several small cloves in each bunch. Separated them and replanted at the appropriate time. Got small heads from each of them.

Note to self: do not plant garlic in places where they don't thrive, and then forget to harvest. Takes way too long to get a good head of garlic that way Rolling my eyes.
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Apr 22, 2015 6:26 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River Twp, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
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LOL, Linda -- that sounds like good advice you've given yourself! Thumbs up

A local friend recently told me that he just leaves his garlic in place and digs some whenever he wants it... that totally puzzles me, because, as you noted, leaving a bulb in the ground will result in each clove growing and trying to form a new bulb. It seems to me that all you would have is a big mess after a few years Shrug!
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Apr 22, 2015 8:17 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA (Zone 8a)
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I would take offense at the Floridia and Georgia comment if I was originally from GA, but I'm not! I'm a Michigander!!! Hilarious! Hilarious!
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Apr 23, 2015 5:59 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
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I am surprised that the fella can harvest whenever he wants to. Generally speaking, garlic bulbs left in the ground will rot, particularly here in the wet and humid south. Perhaps they won't rot with super, well-draining soil. I have never left a bulb in the ground after maturity, so I really don't know.
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