Irises forum: Hybridizing Iris

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Name: Ashton & Terry
Jones, OK (Zone 7a)
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kidfishing
Mar 30, 2015 8:02 PM CST
How do you hybridize an Iris?
I tried hybridizing Iris last year and got no seed pods.
I guess I am doing it wrong. Confused
Can anyone explain how to hybridize an Iris or give me a link about hybridizing Iris?
Is there Tetraploids and diploids like there is in daylilies?
I wanted to ask this before the Iris start blooming.
I just want to do a few just to see what I get.
Also, how many years does it take from seed to bloom?

Thank You! For any help.

Kidfishing
Name: Celia
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Zencat
Mar 30, 2015 9:04 PM CST
I'm going to follow this because I'd like to know, too.
Name: Marilyn
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Moiris
Mar 30, 2015 9:11 PM CST
Welcome Ashton & Terry! Welcome!

I'm just growing my first seedlings this year, last year was the first year I made crosses. I understand it usually takes 2 years years to get blooms...although some can take longer.

There are a few older irises that are diploids, but all of the modern irises (at least to my knowledge) are triploids.

Here are 2 U-Tube videos that give a good introduction.

Iris Genetics and Hybridizing with Dr. Kenneth Kidd - Part 1 - The Basics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y39NoTF6tHg

Iris Genetics and Hybridizing with Dr. Kenneth Kidd -- Part 2 -- How It's Done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jRvotqV2ZQ
Name: Celia
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Zencat
Mar 30, 2015 9:16 PM CST
Thanks, Marilyn. Smiling
Name: Ashton & Terry
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kidfishing
Mar 30, 2015 9:35 PM CST
Thanks for the info.
I watched the videos and I was doing it right, but I got no seed pods. Confused
It's never that hot when the Irises are in bloom. I always did it before noon.
Kidfishing
Name: Celia
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Zencat
Mar 30, 2015 9:44 PM CST
I tried last year, too and got bupkiss. I guess we should both try again. Thumbs up
Name: Lucy
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irisarian
Mar 30, 2015 9:58 PM CST
Take notes about the plants which fail & use something else until it works. Most of the diploid are Miniature Tall bearded irises. Other classes are tetraploids. Early morning or evening seem to be the best times.
Name: Marilyn
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Moiris
Mar 30, 2015 10:07 PM CST
Also, those of you who are more experienced can confirm or correct this, but I have heard that it is important to pollinate the pod parent as soon as possible after the bloom opens. As the bloom ages the moisture on the stigmatic lip seems to dry up...so I'm guessing this may have something to do with it.

Also, I have been meaning to ask, does the pollen parent need a little time for the pollen to mature (like 12-24 hours) or is it better to use the freshest blooms for the pollen parents too? I have noticed if you wait too long the pollen seems to dry up.

Comments anyone?
Name: Marilyn
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Moiris
Mar 30, 2015 10:21 PM CST
Oops, Rick & Roger (from Superstition Gardens) pointed out that I made a mistake. Most modern irises are tetraploides, not triploides...my bad. That's what happens when I try to depend on my memory! Hilarious!
Name: Tom
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tveguy3
Mar 31, 2015 2:44 AM CST
I've only been messing around with it for a short time too, but I've found that using a bloom for a pod parent seems to work best when it's a fresh bloom, and often the later blooms work better then the first ones.

I always check for pollen, some just don't seem to have any.

Keep good records, and set some kind of goal for what you want to accomplish.

Have fun, and beware that this can become addicting! Rolling on the floor laughing
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Name: Celia
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Zencat
Mar 31, 2015 8:05 AM CST
I looked at a few videos and they seemed to agree that early and fresh is best.

How do you all keep records? I know you need to mark them. I'm as new as kidfishing. Shrug!
Name: Ashton & Terry
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kidfishing
Mar 31, 2015 8:28 AM CST
Zencat, I mark my daylily crosses with paper clips.

I am a daylily addict. I have thousands of seedling growing.
I don't think irises will go that far. Hilarious! At least I think so....
Most of my Iris came from Schreiners and Cooleys in the 90s.
My only recent order came from Sutton's Iris garden. Those were my fist newer irises.
Some of those have stalks coming! Hurray!
My goal for breeding irises..... I like true blue colors. I like the rims or edges. I really only like tall bearded ones.

Thanks for all the help!
Kidfishing
Name: Tom
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tveguy3
Mar 31, 2015 9:31 AM CST
OK guys we are starting to get some iris bloom pictures. Make sure you do your "thumb" thing to the best samples so we can have some of our irises in the newsletter too. Smiling
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Name: Celia
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Zencat
Mar 31, 2015 9:37 AM CST
What Tom said!
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Muddymitts
Mar 31, 2015 2:13 PM CST
Thanks for the reminder!!
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Name: Ashton & Terry
Jones, OK (Zone 7a)
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kidfishing
Apr 29, 2015 10:09 AM CST
I have some more questions.

Do you have to destroy the Iris when hybridizing? I haven't done that.

Do you get better chances of making a seed when you put pollen on all three lips?

So far this season I have done about 200 crosses and have 1 seed pod, it's Masterwork X Boysenberry Buttercup.
I have found that most fresh blooms don't have pollen.
Kidfishing
Name: Tom
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tveguy3
Apr 29, 2015 1:01 PM CST
I ususally check for pollen before I take it from the pollen parent, Usually I pick a bloom for pollen that is a few days old. I have had the best luck with pollenizing a very fresh bloom for the pod parent. Sometimes even before it's fully upen. I don't distroy the bloom to get the pollen, I just use a tweezers to get it, and the flower can stay in tact. I alway put pollen on all three stigmatic lips. Also seems like it works best if you don't use the first flower open on a stalk as the pod parent.
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dragonfetti
Apr 29, 2015 3:03 PM CST
I have a different question...My Eternal Bliss has three seed pods, not by my making. Is it worth it to save them and see what grows? How do I save them and how do I grow them from seed? Maybe that part is covered in another forum. Thank You!
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Name: Ashton & Terry
Jones, OK (Zone 7a)
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kidfishing
Apr 29, 2015 3:17 PM CST
I would try to grow them.
I would also like to know how to start Iris seeds.
Kidfishing
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA (Zone 6b)
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irisarian
Apr 29, 2015 3:37 PM CST
We still mark our crosses with paper tags, using graphite pencil which is not destroyed by rain. I used to carry my notebook with me, getting older, I carry my little pack of post its & write in the notebook when I get inside. Age & a cane makes differences.

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