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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Apr 3, 2015 6:49 PM CST
I thought it was time to start a monthly seedling thread. Most all of my daylily plants are seedlings grown from seeds.

I will start out April with 2 blooms today. These are 2nd and 3rd blooms from 2 different seedlings.

Laughing Clown x Instant Graffiti:
This seedling has really surprised me since the 1st bloom:
http://garden.org/thread/view_post/819283/
Info about it's parents:
http://garden.org/thread/view_post/819546/

Here is the 2nd bloom. I have to tell you that it does not have long petals, but I really like the curling going on! The curling happened as the day wore on. This photo was taken late in the day! I actually like this bloom! Sunset made the colors deeper.

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This is the third bloom on "Through the Looking Glass x unknown". The seed came from Seedsower (Sandi). Large blooms. This bloom is a little faded as this photo was taken late in the afternoon. I love the size!

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I am seeing a number of scapes popping up in seedlings that will be blooming for the very first time! This is so exciting!!!
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Name: Fred Manning
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spunky1
Apr 4, 2015 4:25 AM CST
Nice seedlings Becky, like the first one the best being I am a UFO fan.
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blue23rose
Apr 4, 2015 5:32 AM CST
Nice Becky Thumbs up I like the color on the first one.
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Apr 4, 2015 6:04 AM CST
Thanks Fred and Vickie!

When I saw the 1st UFO seedling bloom, it wasn't much but a red bloom with yellow/green throat. It's getting a lot more interesting with each new bloom. I actually have 3 more siblings to that daylily and all have scapes on them. For me, this is an early bloomer. Not the earliest, but earlier than most all my others. I counted 10 daylilies with scapes that will be blooming for the first time in the next week or so. Siblings are blooming at about the same time. Which I also find most interesting!

Do most daylily seedlings tend to resemble or carry more traits of the pod parent?
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Name: Pat
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Xenacrockett
Apr 4, 2015 6:36 PM CST

Unknown, but a 6 1/2" flower, 22" scape for 1st bloom.

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Another unknown

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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Apr 4, 2015 6:50 PM CST
Pat - Wow! Those are really pretty! Love the yellow one! Lovey dubby

Are these named and registered cultivars and you lost the tags or are they hybrid crosses with unknown parents?
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Apr 4, 2015 8:02 PM CST
This is the last bloom on Laura Mast x Dragonfly Dawn. It stayed consistent in size and form as well as they way it looked. So far this is my favorite new seedling bloom (which I've changed my avatar to).

ZZZ072:
Laura Mast x Dragonfly Dawn (afternoon photo):

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Name: Fred Manning
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spunky1
Apr 5, 2015 6:04 AM CST
Becky the pod and pollen parent traits have been discussed since the first seedling bloomed, in my experience plant habit normally comes from the pod parent and the bloom will be influenced mostly by the pollen parent. This is not science and not always the case, but is only my opinion.

Nice unknowns Pat.

ZZZ072 is also my favorite so far.
Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Apr 5, 2015 6:22 AM CST
Fred - Thanks for sharing your experience about genetic traits. I don't know where some of mine are getting their traits from? Must be the gene pool further back. I have been getting some odd blooms on some of my seedlings. Quite a few resemble the pod parent ... which is why I asked. And then there are those that look very similar to the pollen parent. But most look like something else! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing It would be fun to do a gene tree on some just to see where those traits are coming from. I might make a collage some time of such a tree. That would be interesting and fun!
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Apr 5, 2015 8:02 AM CST
beckygardener said:

Do most daylily seedlings tend to resemble or carry more traits of the pod parent?


Becky, Maurice wrote an article about this for the AHS Daylily Journal. It's available as a PDF here:

http://www.daylilynetwork.org/resource/resmgr/website_reprin...

Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Apr 5, 2015 7:13 PM CST
Thanks, Sue! I will read that article!

Are the researchers still wanting strains of rust? I never mailed mine out. I had intended to, but apparently when we had company last year, I forgot to actually mail the rusty leaves to the university. I found them months later still in the envelope. (sigh)
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Name: Pat
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Xenacrockett
Apr 6, 2015 6:13 AM CST
beckygardener said:Pat - Wow! Those are really pretty! Love the yellow one! Lovey dubby

Are these named and registered cultivars and you lost the tags or are they hybrid crosses with unknown parents?


Somewhere in my files, I have some of the parent names, but I'm not checking them until I'm sure I'll keep the seedling.
Due to length of words, names are reduced to numbers.


Name: Pat
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Xenacrockett
Apr 6, 2015 6:16 AM CST
Here's my Monday's child -- seedling pic taken early am in the garden.
Color is much darker and richer in person, and flower has lots of substance.

About 5 1/2", 22" scape:

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Name: Sue
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sooby
Apr 6, 2015 6:22 AM CST
beckygardener said:Are the researchers still wanting strains of rust? I never mailed mine out. I had intended to, but apparently when we had company last year, I forgot to actually mail the rusty leaves to the university. I found them months later still in the envelope. (sigh)


I'm sure they would have liked to have them back then, it seemed difficult to get many last year. I don't know about now, I haven't heard that they are. I'll ask.

Edit: The answer is yes, more rusty leaves required.

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Name: Pat
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Xenacrockett
Apr 6, 2015 8:46 AM CST

I pressed some rust leaves and also forgot to send them in.

Read somewhere that the report would cost $6. or the like;
those participating by sending in leaves should get a free copy, imo.
Name: Betty
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Betja
Apr 6, 2015 9:08 AM CST
Beautiful seedling, Pat!

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gardenglory
Apr 6, 2015 10:12 AM CST
I agree, very nice.

Im still fighting the spring sickness on some plants I received. I will never complain about rust again. Rust is ugly, but this stuff Ive got really tears up the plant. Hope its my first and last encounter with it.
Name: Maurice
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admmad
Apr 6, 2015 10:45 AM CST
spunky1 said:in my experience plant habit normally comes from the pod parent and the bloom will be influenced mostly by the pollen parent. This is not science and not always the case, but is only my opinion.

Fred, I don't want to put you on the spot but I would like to please ask for some clarification.

I have seen the traditional belief that pod parents influence plant habit and pollen parents influence flower characteristics before. But no one ever describes what they specifically mean by 'plant habit' and 'flower'. There are a substantial number of possible characteristics that could describe plant habit and as many or more possible characteristics that could describe flowers.

What specific characteristics would you say were 'plant habit'?

Would these include height of the scape, number of buds, number of branches, how fast it produces new fans, width of leaves, length of leaves, dormant, evergreen, semi-evergreen, whether it has fibrous roots or tuberous roots, etc.? Which ones exactly do you include in the plant habit? Please name all the specific characteristics that seem to come from the pod parent in your crosses.

Also which plant characteristics would you include in those that were bloom and influenced mostly by the pollen parent in your crosses?

Would those include, when it flowers, if it reblooms, the flower width, the petal & sepal widths, the petal & sepal lengths, the flower colours, the eye patterns, the picotees, ruffling, whether it is fertile or sterile, the average number of seeds it produces per pod, the average number of pollinated flowers that produce pods with seeds, whether it is pod-fertile at all, whether it is pollen fertile or sterile, etc. Please name all the specific characteristics that seem to be influenced mostly by the pollen parent in your crosses.

And lastly, what proportion of the crosses you make are done reciprocally? That is, do you always cross Cultivar A x Cultivar B and Cultivar B x Cultivar A when you decide to cross two plants with each other? Do you sometimes make the crosses reciprocally? Or hardly ever? etc.
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Name: Joe Hawkins
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spiderjoe
Apr 6, 2015 6:20 PM CST
It's more scientific than saying that pod influences plant and pollen influence bloom. Go and study crosses and you will soon discover that theory is wrong. Some genes are stronger and rise to the top.
Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Apr 6, 2015 6:28 PM CST
Joe - I agree with what you said. I see the same thing in my garden with seedlings. I have many that I only know the pod parent. And many look a LOT like mama! Whistling Thumbs up
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