Plant ID forum: Western stoneseed (Lithospermum ruderale); North Central Idaho

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Name: Natalie
North Central Idaho (Zone 7a)
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Natalie
Apr 14, 2015 10:43 AM CST
This is growing on my property, and I can't find it online anywhere. Do any of you know what it is?

The tallest one I saw was about 18 inches, and the flowers are fairly small. Any suggestions would be appreciated!



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Name: Lin
Florida (Zone 9b)
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plantladylin
Apr 14, 2015 11:29 AM CST
Maybe a variety of Lithospermum?

Western stoneseed (Lithospermum ruderale)

http://uswildflowers.com/detail.php?SName=Lithospermum%20rud...
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Apr 14, 2015 11:37 AM CST
I agree That's what I just came up with too:

http://science.halleyhosting.com/nature/basin/5petal/borage/...
Name: Natalie
North Central Idaho (Zone 7a)
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Natalie
Apr 14, 2015 12:57 PM CST
Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Thanks to both of you!! Now to figure out which variety it is!
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Apr 14, 2015 1:46 PM CST
It sure looks like L. ruderale!

http://www.utahwildflowers.com/WildflowerDetail.aspx?Flower=...

Another photo here, the first picture is L. incisum with the darker yellow blooms, second one, L. ruderale looks like your plant: http://www.rootcellar.us/wildflowers/stonesd.htm

Another photo here: http://www.discoverlife.org/mp/20q?search=Lithospermum+ruder...
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Apr 14, 2015 2:16 PM CST
Another comparison here:
http://www.swcoloradowildflowers.com/Yellow%20Enlarged%20Pho...
Name: Jay
Nederland, Texas (Zone 9a)
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Horntoad
Apr 14, 2015 2:27 PM CST
If this is a wildflowers then L. ruderale grows nowhere near Idaho.
http://bonap.net/MapGallery/County/Lithospermum%20ruderale.p...
wildflowersoftexas.com
texasnatureonline.com


Name: Sue
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sooby
Apr 14, 2015 2:39 PM CST
One of Lin's references says "Lithospermum ruderale........this is the only Lithospermum species listed by USDA as being in Idaho, where I photographed this one."

This is a map of Idaho's location, isn't that area included in the BONAP map?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Ida...
Name: Natalie
North Central Idaho (Zone 7a)
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Natalie
Apr 14, 2015 2:52 PM CST
Jay, the green area on that map covers Idaho, and I'm pretty sure that green means that it is found there. Either way, I agree that it is Lithospermum ruderale, and it is growing wild on my property in Idaho.

Thanks for all the help! Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!
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Name: Jay
Nederland, Texas (Zone 9a)
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Horntoad
Apr 14, 2015 3:24 PM CST
Yes, you are correct. My geography is way off. My mind was on one of those other "I." states.
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Name: Natalie
North Central Idaho (Zone 7a)
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Natalie
Apr 14, 2015 4:52 PM CST
Hilarious! Totally understandable Jay!
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Name: Natalie
North Central Idaho (Zone 7a)
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Natalie
Apr 14, 2015 6:50 PM CST
@plantladylin Lin, I wish you would have asked before adding the pictures to the database. I think that a person should be able to decide which of their pictures get added, instead of someone else deciding for them. I really appreciate your help, but please don't add any more of mine in the future. I would have picked different pictures than those.
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Name: Jennifer
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jvdubb
Apr 14, 2015 7:00 PM CST
@Natalie I think you can ask Dave to make it so only you can add your pics to the database
Name: Natalie
North Central Idaho (Zone 7a)
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Natalie
Apr 14, 2015 7:54 PM CST
Thanks Jennifer. I just did that, and he's fixed it so that they can't be added.

Please don't get me wrong, I love seeing photos in the database, and I feel the more pictures the better. It's just that I'd prefer to pick which ones of mine are added, because I don't feel that all of my pictures are close to being good enough. These weren't the best, and I was going to get better photos of the plant. I found out a short time ago that I have some that are much easier to get to than these were, and as soon as the weather improves, I was going to take better photos. Or try to at least. Hilarious! If anyone wants to add mine in the future, all they have to do is ask. It's nothing personal. I just want the photos with my name on them to be decent, and I didn't feel that these were decent enough.
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Apr 14, 2015 8:24 PM CST
Natalie, I truly apologize. *Blush* I thought I read somewhere that it was fine to move photos from threads to the database but I do understand if you don't feel they are good enough and I will refrain from proposing moving pictures from now on. You can go to those entries in the database and submit a proposal to have them deleted and one of the moderators will delete them. Again, I apologize.

Lin
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Name: Lin
Florida (Zone 9b)
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plantladylin
Apr 14, 2015 8:37 PM CST
Natalie, I went ahead and submitted proposals to have those two photos deleted. Again, I apologize.
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Name: Natalie
North Central Idaho (Zone 7a)
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Natalie
Apr 14, 2015 8:55 PM CST
No problem Lin, and I thank you for getting them removed. Group hug I don't mind posting bad ones in a thread, but I don't want them in the database. Those pictures need to be really good, and these weren't.

You are correct, in that it is totally allowable to submit photos from threads to the database. I've always believed, though, that the person who took the photo should be allowed to approve the addition of the photo to the database, but that isn't how it is set up. That's just my opinion of it, and I know that others feel differently. No hard feelings though, and I thank you for all the work you've done to make the database better. It's appreciated.
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Name: Carol
Santa Ana,Ca. (Zone 10b)
Sunset zone 22
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ctcarol
Apr 14, 2015 9:34 PM CST
I have to agree with Natalie. I never submit photos to the Data base, because they are not good photos. One of mine was submitted by others, which I really didn't mind, but maybe if we don't have the copyright on them, they are fair game? Something to ask Dave about, I think.
Name: Natalie
North Central Idaho (Zone 7a)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Daylilies Hummingbirder Frogs and Toads Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Native Plants and Wildflowers
Cottage Gardener Dog Lover Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Region: United States of America Echinacea Xeriscape
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Natalie
Apr 14, 2015 9:45 PM CST
Carol, you do get an acorn when they are added, either by you, or by someone else. And, your name is attached to them, even if they are submitted from a thread, but not by you. So the copyright isn't an issue, and I don't think that would stop them anyway, since only your name would be on your photos. Dave can block them from being added, which he was kind enough to do for me. I had no idea that it was even a possibility to block them from being added. It's so nice that someone would think that the photos are good enough, even when I don't think they are, but if you don't want yours added, ask Dave to block them for you and he will.
Natalie
Name: Carol
Santa Ana,Ca. (Zone 10b)
Sunset zone 22
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ctcarol
Apr 15, 2015 10:29 AM CST
Not really an issue with me. I don't post many pictures, and I'm not easily embaressed. Big Grin

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