Bulbs forum: White tulips changing to other colors after dividing

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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Apr 26, 2015 9:13 PM CST
Why would tulips change from white to yellow, peach and then red after dividing every two years. It is the bulb increase that is being transplanted, not seedling bulbs. How does this happen?
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CarolineScott
Apr 27, 2015 7:43 AM CST
Some tulip varieties have been bred to exhibit a change of colour.
I think that this is done by infecting them with a virus.
The one that I have had was called Antoinette.

Which variety were yours?
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Apr 27, 2015 8:03 AM CST
I don't know, they belong to a friend. She planted white tulips, the only tulips she has. After two years she divided them, the next year when they bloomed they all turned yellow. Each two years she divides them, and the following year they change color again. They have not gone back to the white coloring since this started happening. Some are now red, and others a lovely yellow with peach tones.
Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Apr 27, 2015 10:44 AM CST
Sounds like for whatever reason they are producing increasing levels of anthocyanin. If there is any color breaking/streaking of color the bulbs should be dug and discarded in the trash.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Apr 27, 2015 11:23 AM CST
Thank you Connie. I will pass this information on. They have morphed to a dark red with cream colored petal edges.
Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Apr 27, 2015 11:41 AM CST
I can't say that what I said is scientifically correct. Would love to see photos, especially the latest morph. Can you ask what the name of the original tulip is?
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Apr 27, 2015 2:35 PM CST
I sent a message and asked her to post the photos. Thumbs up
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Montanatulip
Apr 27, 2015 3:38 PM CST
The original bulbs bloomed white, I dug them up and separated them and they bloomed yellow, every other year since I have dug them up and separated bulbs, they are now adding red tips and red stripes and now some actually are red with yellow edges. No other tulips have been bedded here with these. The red ones are even differently shaped.
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Apr 27, 2015 3:52 PM CST
Hi Montanatulip. Welcome! to ATP.
Hope we can determine the scientific reason for the color changes happening in your tulips.
Are the red ones the newest change?
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Montanatulip
Apr 27, 2015 3:59 PM CST
Yes, they are the newest kind
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Montanatulip
Apr 27, 2015 4:02 PM CST
I do not know the name of the first tulips, they were planted at one of our rentals nearby and left there, I separated them and brought bulbs home so I too could have some white tulips, funny thing, that never happened, however, I do enjoy them all.
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Montanatulip
Apr 27, 2015 4:03 PM CST
Gotta love those blond curls girl!
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Apr 27, 2015 4:06 PM CST
Does it look like the red one is less robust than the earlier colors?
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Apr 27, 2015 4:07 PM CST
Rolling on the floor laughing
We cross posted.
It will be interesting to see if it progresses to this stage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_breaking_virus
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Montanatulip
Apr 27, 2015 4:29 PM CST
Yes, in the world of tulips I would call it a "little" tulip. Look at the veining on this one. Too bad if I find out they are just sick. Here, I thought they had character.
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Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Apr 27, 2015 4:42 PM CST
The red ones do look puny and sick. I suspect virus. Lets check with Lefty and see what he thinks @Leftwood ...
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Apr 27, 2015 5:11 PM CST
Yes, that is why I asked about the red one. It does look puny. It will be interesting to see what Lefty says.
It does look like it might be a virus. Sad
If it is, other than getting rid of them, can you plant new varieties in the same place? Or is the soil now infected?
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Leftwood
Apr 27, 2015 8:35 PM CST
The first three pics show variation that I could understand, due to varying climate conditions different from the original source, and/or from year to year. This could be with or without virus. I don't see any evidence virus (and unlikely in pic#4, too), but sometimes it doesn't show, and virus symptoms in tulips are very tricky, too. Really, I may be better than many of you, but I am a novice with tulip viruses.

Other possibilities:
---- I see in the pic#2, other tulips. Rodents sometimes dig up bulbs and move them to somewhere else.
---- Also in pic#2, please to look closely at the red tulip at the left edge of the photo. It seems exactly as pic#4, that you say is the new aberration. Can you explain?
Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Apr 27, 2015 8:55 PM CST
The red tulip in pic #2 appears to be same plant as in #4. Look closely at the rocks in the background... they are the same, including the four smaller ones leading into the rock "cave". Just a view from a different angle in my opinion.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Apr 27, 2015 9:06 PM CST
All are divisions from the original white tulips purchased and planted. Over the years when divided and replanted they have come up in the different colors. The red being the newest.

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