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Name: Catmint/Robin
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Catmint20906
Jun 2, 2015 6:13 PM CST
Its leaves are almost triangular. I'm hoping it's not just more bitter dock for me to pull up. Glare Anyone know for sure?

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Name: Rob
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plantrob
Jun 2, 2015 7:28 PM CST
Pretty sure it's not dock. Reminds me a bit of Scutellaria altissima, but you may not know for sure until it blooms.
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Catmint20906
Jun 2, 2015 7:45 PM CST
thanks, Rob, that is very interesting! Thank You! Last year I sowed what I thought was Scutellaria incana in that area, although the leaves don't look right for that. Confused Maybe it was Scutellaria altissima instead?

Always fun to wait and see what something blooms as before deciding on an ID! Hilarious!
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plantrob
Jun 2, 2015 7:57 PM CST
I agree, not S. incana. I've been bitten a few times by plants that I've grown "just long enough to see their bloom", only to have them become a little too well-established (Colt's foot comes to mind). But you're right, it's fun :-)
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bamira
Jun 2, 2015 8:15 PM CST
I also thought of Scutellaria altissima, but it has a very characteristic veins, the first veins are almost parallel to the axis of the Thumbs down
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Name: Greene
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greene
Jun 2, 2015 9:45 PM CST
Can you show a photo of the main stem? Is it round? smooth? hairy? etc.
There is a NOID plant with the same leaves in my front garden (from a local swap) and am curious to learn what your plant is.
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Name: Catmint/Robin
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Catmint20906
Jun 3, 2015 4:31 AM CST
thanks Stefan and Greene. I'll try to get a photo of the stem today!
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bonitin
Jun 3, 2015 6:16 AM CST
Just a guess, the leaves remind me of The Money Plant, Lunaria annua...

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bamira
Jun 3, 2015 6:58 AM CST
bonitin said:Just a guess, the leaves remind me of The Money Plant, Lunaria annua...

for the first time, I also thought, but it leaves the heart is Thumbs down


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Name: Greene
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greene
Jun 3, 2015 8:43 AM CST
To my eyes the leaves look nothing like the Lunaria annua; this link has a good photo of a single leaf. http://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/weeds/plants/money_plant...

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bamira
Jun 3, 2015 10:02 AM CST
greene said:To my eyes the leaves look nothing like the Lunaria annua; this link has a good photo of a single leaf. http://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/weeds/plants/money_plant...



Lunaria leaves the shape of heart, pointy end, on the basis of a deep slice into
Catmint leaves dull, rounded tip, on the basis of a blunt, a slight easing, the shape of a spear almost a triangle I tip my hat to you.

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Watch out for the majority of similar plants are different bottom and upper leaves.
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Name: Cindy
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Jun 3, 2015 10:06 AM CST
Definitely not Lunaria which I do grow. This looks more like a weedy thing, similar to what pops up in my gardens.
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Catmint20906
Jun 3, 2015 5:10 PM CST
thanks, everyone. Just got home from work and checked out the stem. It is round and not hairy.

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bamira
Jun 3, 2015 5:39 PM CST
rub leaves, smells a bit of garlic?
Name: Catmint/Robin
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Catmint20906
Jun 3, 2015 5:52 PM CST
thanks, Stefan. I just went out and rubbed a leaf and smelled it (I think my neighbors enjoyed that sight! Hilarious! ) but I could not smell much. I also rubbed my Wild Ginger for good measure and couldn't really smell anything from that either, so maybe my smeller is not working too well these days... Big Grin
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bamira
Jun 3, 2015 6:00 PM CST
best in the Sun, When you feel the garlic
It may be a garlic soup Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing I'm sorry , Alliaria

has a lot of variable leaves
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Alliaria_petiolat...
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Name: Catmint/Robin
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Catmint20906
Jun 3, 2015 6:26 PM CST
Thanks, Stefan! That might very well be it!! Thumbs up Thank You!
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Name: Rob
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plantrob
Jun 3, 2015 7:17 PM CST
Hmm, doesn't look like the garlic mustard in my garden (and I've got thousands of them Blinking )
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Name: stone
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stone
Jun 4, 2015 4:06 PM CST
Compare with Conoclinium coelestinum

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bamira
Jun 4, 2015 4:17 PM CST
stone said:Compare with Conoclinium coelestinum

perhaps also
http://www.missouriplants.com/Blueopp/Eupatorium_coelestinum...


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