Lilies forum: Plant Reversion

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patweppler
Jun 6, 2015 5:39 AM CST
Do you see this in lilies?? I had a talk to biologist at the ministry of natural resources and forestry yesterday and I have this occurring in a few of my peony plants but he did say that it is a result of the not solid genes.....and the plant tries to go back to its original state........and does not like to get tampered with it all. You can see in all kinds of plants and he said all types of trees and even some bulbs...
I was reading somewhere yesterday on the net that this can happen in some of the lily crosses that the one gene is stronger and the new little seeds can pick up on this stronger gene and therefore look far more like a lily in the background especially in the hybrid types..... and also in ones that you cross pollinate on your own. I guess that is why you can have so many different looking lilies in a cross.....
I also read they are trying to make the genes stronger in the casa blanca lily and others in tissue culture ......

kinda of a discussion that really interests me but way over my head..... I thought someone on here could shed some info on this in easy to understand terms.....

I also would not like to know and need to know this asap. How does one clone a tree?? I know you can do this with lilies but that would mean scaling the bulb right? I have a tulip tree that is growing out of zone here and they want to start some new ones asap since it is a species to this area just does not normally survive. it has a big maple tree near it and it might be causing a micro climate they are not sure to help it survive for 85 years already............ there are tons of blooms this year coming in the next week and that will mean tons of seeds in the seed pods..... Unless there is some ideas on methods of propagation that you might know of.......
you would think that if you could just plant seeds in a pot and leave it out for the winter .....they might come up in the springtime he said although not sure.......about that.... that is would have done this on its own through nature but no other tulip trees around and some of the seeds in the pod will be viable for sure.....

appreciate your help In these topics.......... A lot of focus in one the tulip tree at the moment......I have 100 gardeners plus coming to see this tree a week Monday night so want to get the lilies looking good too. the new beds came so I can set the pots into the beds but not plant them until they are done blooming just will look better this way.....
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William
Jun 6, 2015 12:55 PM CST
Had a Miscantus sinensis ‘Silberpfeil that reverted from being variegated to becoming plain green once. On the genetics you also have the opposite happening, you get a spontaneous mutation that gives you a new variety. This is quite common in for instance tulips and apparently there are quite a few in commerce.

There are many ways to clone a tree, but the specific method would be depending on the species. The simplest way to clone a tree is by cuttings. This can be extremely easy or indeed very hard or even impossible, again depending on the species.

Some trees like magnolia for instance, can be layered if there is a low enough branch to bend down, or you can use air layering. You can also obviously graft many species, even many conifers can be grafted, but the success rate is lower than with say an apple tree. Tissue culture should also be an option. There is also a few other options.

Generally speaking in a forest, trees often germinate after a forest fire, when a tree falls down (they actually often grow in a straight line, germinating on top of the decaying tree trunk) or when the ground has been disturbed for some reason. It can be very difficult for some species to self seed. Others of course are more like weeds.

Also in a garden generally you cut your grass and no tree seedling survives being decapitated! There is also no guarantee that a seedling or even seed survives your winter... Maybe you will need to give your seeds some protection for the winter. Sometimes a simple cold frame goes a long way. Another factor may be that you probably would have better seed if you had another tulip tree nearby. But sorry, for the your tulip tree, I have no specific knowledge.They aren't very common here, but an interesting species, no doubt.



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patweppler
Jun 6, 2015 5:06 PM CST
the tulip tree is in magnolia family.........
and the tulips I found out today will be about the inside of your palm. The flowers are very discreet and some people involved with the big forest trees never even see them since they are so big and tall and the flowers are on the canopy but the one I have is old so it is leafing out a bit now............and will flower so you can see them and hundreds of them and hundreds of them bloomed last year and that was the first year that I bought the house here in the previous September and DID NOT SEE one tulip bloom although you could smell them blooming. but it did bloom apparently the arborist said at eye level and even mowed the grass under it and still did not see it.........
so this years will be the big things for sure.......
It is an odd species and that is hard to tell what is a leaf bud and what is flower bud..........

since the tree is way out of zone we are hoping some of the young ones make it if the mother can survive here unless it is like they thought and a micro climate setup with the big old maple giving it some protection.......

100 gardens is a lot of interest in the trees
he did mentioning layering the tulip branches but did not go into specifics on how to do that......
he suggestion was toss the dried out seeds and put in the freezer for the winter and bring out in the spring and plant shallow in a pot.....

I am going to go and put them in some natural places around in town here and see if one catches too..........

the big problem he says is the animals that feed off the tree............and there are plenty of them. I had a coon in the maple tree all summer, he slept during the day and ate the tulip pods at night time......
it is an interesting species for sure..........might even buy it a plaque of some kind........

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