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Name: Tiffany
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purpleinopp
Jun 15, 2015 5:31 AM CST
I'm so excited! My MIL decided the Crinums in her yard had to go. Pretty friggin' hot day to make that decision, but what can ya do but help? The shade around them had increased, and they hadn't bloomed for years, at least the 10 yrs she's been in that house. After digging them up, they nearly filled the back (had to fold back seat down) of our Jeep Cherokee. I insisted on putting one really huge one in a more sunny spot in her yard, and was ready to dig up whatever grass was needed to give them a great new home, but she insisted I take the rest of them away. I put about a dozen in a nice spot in my Mom's yard, and got about 35 or so, of the biggest ones, back in the ground at my house before I totally ran out of energy (and needed to take a Tylenol for irritating my back.) Can't wait to see the show next summer! Some were about the size of a cantaloupe. I have a pile of 50 or so smaller bulbs left at this point. IDK if I'll get the energy to finish digging them in today or not.

Is it unreasonable to hope for any blooms yet this year? Assuming so, but would love to hear your tales of moved Crinums! TIA!
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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jun 15, 2015 12:25 PM CST
The only tale of crinums I have is that I have mine in too much shade also and need to move them. They do still bloom occasionally, but seldom. I would not expect the moved ones to bloom this year. It might take a couple of years. But hope for the best!!!
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Deebie
Jun 15, 2015 1:00 PM CST
If they are very large bulbs, they will probably still bloom this year. Crinums are tough plants. But do give them some shade in the pm.
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purpleinopp
Jun 15, 2015 2:31 PM CST
TY so much for the replies! Oh crud, I've done the opposite. I don't have anywhere for something this big & unruly except in PM sun. I hope these can adjust. There's a fabulous bunch of them at the fire station that's in the sun from about 10-11 AM for the rest of the day.

I didn't have an ounce of energy last night to take pics, but here's some from a few mins ago. The already planted really big ones, then the little guys still out of ground. Glad I went out there, thought they'd be in the shade still. Put under carport until I can dig again.



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Kabby
Jun 15, 2015 7:54 PM CST
I agree with Deborah on the large bulbs probably blooming. However I have crinum in full sun on the southern and western sides of my house with no problems. Consider crinum as giant rain lilies, the more water, the better bloom.
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purpleinopp
Jun 16, 2015 7:17 AM CST
TYVM! Will post a pic whenever a bloom shows up!
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Name: Deborah Pryor
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Deebie
Jun 16, 2015 7:58 AM CST
Oops! I wrote this last night and forgot to post it.

Tiffany, I didn't mean to burst your bubble. They grow well in full sun. But, if you have lighter colors, like the pale pink powellii, those look bleached out in full sun. That's why I recommended giving them some respite from the sun. Otherwise, crinums take a licking and keep on ticking--hot, dry, wet soil, high humidity--nothing fazes them. I foolishly planted some in a container a few years ago, not thinking about how huge those bulbs get eventually. I'm going to have a heck of a time getting them out of that pot before it bursts. I've got another mother bulb in another pot in a slightly neglected part of my yard that I'm trying to reclaim for it's shade. I've got a lot of plants to move this fall, because with the lose of 2 oak trees, they are in too much sun. We are sorely in need of rain right now.

Yep, Kabby is right about it's ability to withstand full sun and lots of water. I don't fertilize mine, but I wonder if it will bloom better if I do. Whistling What can be better than lots more blooms.

Name: Tiffany
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purpleinopp
Jun 16, 2015 9:31 AM CST
TY so much! I'm told the flowers are white, but only the clump that was closest to the end, in more sun, ever made an occasional bloom. Could be a mix, but prob all white. I can't wait to see what happens, whatever that may be.

"What can be better than lots more blooms." Ditto!

I'm not sure I got them as deep as they were, (OK, obviously, I definitely didn't.) Planning to cover with about a foot of hackberry leaves this winter. I could add more dirt later (before the leaves) if folks think that's a good idea? Going to put a border of bricks around them, so filling with dirt would be easy if they look like they're not deep enough. The pic may not show it well, but they're just deep enough to cover the bulb part.

Do they go dormant when Jack Frost shows up? I can't remember.
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Kabby
Jun 16, 2015 10:55 AM CST
I plant mine to the base of the neck.
Yes they go dormant, all foliage dies back. But when we start having those warm days in Feb? New foliage will pop out the top only to be cut down when it freezes again. It's almost cruel to have that energy lost after they try to reawaken.
Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jun 16, 2015 11:15 AM CST
I have crinums in the front and the back and I could not remember if they died back of not! Either I am not very observant, or I have a very short memory...or more likely both. Whistling
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purpleinopp
Jun 16, 2015 3:52 PM CST
TY again, Kabby. Much appreciated, so much!

Larry, me too! There's one in Mom's yard & I know I look at her plants constantly, but didn't "make a note of it."

When the foliage dies back, seems like a good time to see if they look like they're riding a bit high, and add more dirt if you kind folks think I should, (which sure sounds easier than pulling up some that might be too shallow to plant deeper, unless there's concern that may be too late.) You can't see it in the pic, but the first 10 or so are deeper, then as I got more tired, they're more shallow toward where I stopped. I know y'all will save me from being the dumb transplanted Yankee that kills the unkillable Crinums!
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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jun 16, 2015 3:59 PM CST
You know, I think I have read (thinking back with my short memory) that crinums tend to pull themselves down deeper, and that is why they are so deep when they get older with the huge bulbs. So you might just want to leave them a little shallow?
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tarev
Jun 16, 2015 4:34 PM CST
Lucky you Tiffany! Crinums did not do well in my garden..we are just so dry. Sad
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Kabby
Jun 16, 2015 4:40 PM CST
It's alright Tiffany, you're an Alabamian now. Just so long as you don't say you guys. Sticking tongue out
When I dig up a clump there's a hole the size of Meteor Crater left behind. So there's merit to what Larry is saying, but I don't think it matters, they just want a home. nodding
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Deebie
Jun 17, 2015 8:04 AM CST
Tiffany, I wish you could see this huge crinum bulb that I neglected to plant last year. I sat it in a large pot with some soil and forgot about it, as I wasn't sure where I wanted to place it. It' lying in a neglected area, under a tree, wherein some of the roots have come out of the bottom of the pot and grown into the soil. We had an extreme winter here. In late October, just out of the blue, we got 3 nights of sub-freezing temps. We barely had fall. That poor crinum looks a little tattered, but otherwise, is unfazed. I'm too embarrassed to take a picture of it, besides, we have a killer heat wave here with temps above 100 for the next couple of days. You just can't kill them as long, as the long thick roots can have some moisture.

Here, the leaves turn to nasty mush with the 1st hard freeze. I just leave them alone until they dry out during the winter and then cut them off. When the late spring frost nips the tips, I trim the frost tips off too, otherwise, the dead tips prevent the new leaves from opening properly for a while.
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Kabby
Jun 17, 2015 8:28 AM CST
@Deebie Deborah I don't fertilize either. I envision them crawling up the stairs to attack if I did give them food.
@tarev So your Peruvian daff does fine, but crinum are a no go. What a shame. If family hadn't started me with crinum I might not have pursued them though.
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purpleinopp
Jun 17, 2015 12:17 PM CST
TY so much for the awesome, helpful & amusing replies, *Y'all!* Much appreciated, very encouraging & exciting.

So sorry, Tarev! Did they actually shrivel away, or just aren't growing/blooming?

Deborah, I wish I could too, I'd love to see that! Your heroic survivor deserves notoriety!

I've seen what you mean about the frost nip tips on Banana & Canna plants. Didn't occur to me that snipping could help. Good one, TY!!! I kind of like plants that disappear when it frosts, 'cuz it's so exciting when they start back up. (And makes it easy to mulch.)

I don't think these will need any fertilizer. Leaves have been piled in the area for countless winters, it's some of the best, darkest dirt I've ever seen anywhere. I would have been digging over there sooner if I'd realized! Next time I want to fill a short-term pot with yard dirt, it'll be from there.
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tarev
Jun 17, 2015 12:24 PM CST
Kabby said:@Deebie Deborah I don't fertilize either. I envision them crawling up the stairs to attack if I did give them food.
@tarev So your Peruvian daff does fine, but crinum are a no go. What a shame. If family hadn't started me with crinum I might not have pursued them though.


I was a newbie with that crinum, so later on I realized I will just concentrate on one water needy bulb, got to be prudent with water here. Smiling
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Kabby
Jun 17, 2015 4:44 PM CST
@tarev that's sad about water rationing. How often will they let you water outside?
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tarev
Jun 17, 2015 6:07 PM CST
I just try to be diligent at least once a week thorough hose watering, and on the other days, just light misting or just one little watering can every other day per container. All my plants are in containers, so it is really dicey, container plants dry out much faster. Doing my share in water conservation. Thankfully the greater part of my plants outside are drought tolerant ones and a lot are succulents, but even then, with our extremely hot and dry temps, all the plants appreciate some light watering. Right now it is 95F and 23% humidity..really not the best conditions for water hungry plants, so got to pick what will thrive here. It easily gets to triple digit here at the height of summer, so even more prudence in watering.

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