Lilies forum: Lilies, Severe Heat & Drought

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Name: Leon
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TBGDN
Jul 23, 2011 11:23 AM CST
The last measurable rainfall we had locally was July 2nd, and I don't think I have to tell anybody in the eastern half of the country what the temperatures have been during the past month! The soil here is simply dried out because much of it is sandy loam. All the perennials are suffering from stress; and watering here is out of the question because of our well water and the pump can only take so much. I noticed yesterday the foliage in the daylilies is looking tan and dry. The lilies are in about the same condition with wilting leaves and some discoloration. The last ones I have blooming are Black Beauty, Casa Blanca and a couple of NOIDS along with Henry. Some of these are from June.

Black Beauty: Three Views.
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These shots were from June 21st of a Yellow Swallowtail on Martagons.
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Casa Blanca July 21st in shade; Casa Rosa June 30th; Martagons June 20th.
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Muscadet on their last leg like all the rest.
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Henryi, July 22, 2011; A Marbled NOID Oriental July 23, 2011; LeReve June 30th: Spots On Foliage Is Fungicide.
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Name: Debra
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lovemyhouse
Jul 23, 2011 11:59 AM CST
Isn't that the amazing thing about bulbs, though, is how they survive extreme stress and still come back to give us such joy the next year? Smiling
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Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Jul 23, 2011 11:59 AM CST

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That marbled noid is likely VIRUSED. Has it bloomed like this in a previous year? I say give it its last rites, dig and put in garbage, not compost. Its not worth the risk of infecting your other lilies.

Just as well you don't water them. Prolonged heat plus water can promote bulb rot. The heat accelerates the bloom season and leaf wilt won't kill the bulb for next year. This is where a good layer of mulch is useful to help cool the soil.
Name: Leon
Indiana (Zone 5a)
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TBGDN
Jul 23, 2011 12:04 PM CST
Thanks Connie,
It's been like that ever since I planted it more than 10 years ago! (Came directly from Dutch Gardens BTW) Appreciate the heads up! I keep spraying with a disease control fungicide but it remains the same. Can it infect other lilies through the soil?
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Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Jul 23, 2011 12:40 PM CST

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Not likely to infect through the soil. Sucking insects such as aphids and thrips transfer the juice from plant to plant. The fungicide won't take out the insects.

What do the leaves look like? Are they twisted or marbled (as opposed to solid green)?
Name: Leon
Indiana (Zone 5a)
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TBGDN
Jul 23, 2011 1:13 PM CST
Here is a picture showing the foliage just below the flower. Can you tell by looking at this? I do have a fungicide on it, but I also notice light green streaks on the leaves. Oh well, it won't be the first plant to leave here for the landfill.
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Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Jul 23, 2011 1:35 PM CST

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This is where it looks nasty. Notice how the green color is broken perpendicular to the veins:
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Is this a Star Gazer lily?
Name: Leon
Indiana (Zone 5a)
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TBGDN
Jul 23, 2011 1:54 PM CST
I notice what you have circled, and I thought the lower leaves looked a little discolored and streaked too. No, NOT Star Gazer; It was sold by Dutch Gardens as Oriental "Kiss Proof". I've never been able to find any database showing it. But then I got a lot of "weird named" stuff from them over the years.

Here is my Star Gazer:
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Name: Leon
Indiana (Zone 5a)
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TBGDN
Jul 23, 2011 3:01 PM CST
You have my curiosity and interest up on this on this subject, and knowing nothing about it gives me something new to learn. I'm sure this information would be helpful to someone else like me who knows little or nothing about it. I had previously cut out the spent flowers, but took some pictures of the leaves just below where the flowers used to be. These would be easier to illustrate something unusual like the one you have circled above. Here are three pictures where I used my macro setting.

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Appreciate all your help- Thanks!
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Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Jul 23, 2011 3:24 PM CST

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I would say it looks a bit hokey there, especially because of the irregular mottling.

There is a situation where leaves may look diseased but it is really a nutrition uptake problem. They will look light green between the veins (veins being darker green). It is always a good idea to get a picture and post on this forum if you have suspicious looking lily flowers or foliage. Unlike irises, I don't believe there is any such thing as broken colors in lilies that is not caused by disease.

I seem to remember the days when Dutch Gardens was a better company. They would put several order forms in the catalog and we would save on shipping by combining orders with friends. I got a mislabeled daylily once but that is all that I can recall. No diseased plants. I think they may have been bought out by a corporation that doesn't care and I don't order from them anymore.
Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
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gwhizz
Jul 23, 2011 10:03 PM CST
have 'kiss proof ' here,ive not had problems with stargazer,but i had to throw out multitudes of 'starfighter'- Thumbs down
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Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Jul 23, 2011 10:19 PM CST

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Ohhhh! That looks downright scary!!!
Name: Leon
Indiana (Zone 5a)
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TBGDN
Jul 24, 2011 5:15 AM CST
Anthony,
I appreciate the post. It's like an educational tool for people who don't know or understand plant diseases. That picture is worth a thousand words!
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Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
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gwhizz
Jul 24, 2011 11:56 PM CST
i'll try to dig up a pic of kissproof-later,but for now,get the one you have and put it in the dumpster ,plant/pot/and soil
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Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
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gwhizz
Jul 25, 2011 3:10 AM CST
Well,i went through my filing cabinet,[the whole garage] and finally found the picture,on a stack of poly boxes,in front of the television
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Name: Leon
Indiana (Zone 5a)
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TBGDN
Jul 25, 2011 6:29 AM CST
Thanks Anthony- This will be at the top of today's list, top priority.
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