Adeniums forum: Need ID help with my Adenium!

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Name: Michael Hamilton
Corpus Christi, TX (Zone 9b)
Region: Texas Hibiscus Plumerias Cactus and Succulents
Jun 19, 2015 9:35 AM CST
A couple of weeks ago I posted about my two year old Adenium seedling finally getting it's first bloom. At the time I figured that it was a standard "classic Adenium Obesum" as someone suggested I call it, but it bloomed today, and that's certainly not the blossom type that I am seeing here. There seems to be no pink in this bloom and it's all red, down to the point where it becomes white. The edges are so dark as to be black. It's so velvety!! For me, this was a surprise and made the wait so much worth it!

I don't know a lot about Adeniums beyond that I love them and what it takes to keep mine alive, so if any of you learned folks out there can offer up any ID suggestions about this one I would sure be appreciative. I'm very excited about it and I personally think it's rather special. Maybe it's because I waited so long and nursed it back from rot and near death that makes me that way. What can I say.

Thanks so much in advance for any help you can give.

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Name: Melissa E. Keyes
St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands
Zone 11+
Charter ATP Member
Jun 19, 2015 1:17 PM CST
OK, as per the other discussion thread, since it's a seedling, it's yours to name!
Name: Hetty
Sunny Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Jun 19, 2015 1:55 PM CST
Thumbs up I agree
Name: Michael Hamilton
Corpus Christi, TX (Zone 9b)
Region: Texas Hibiscus Plumerias Cactus and Succulents
Jun 19, 2015 6:39 PM CST
Well, that's the thing...It's not MY seedling. I got it from the nursery who had a bunch of seedlings. I knew when I bought it that it was going to take forever to grow, but again, there was no name on them when I purchased it...sigh.
Name: Cindi Russo
Palm Harbor, FL (Zone 9b)
Jun 20, 2015 7:51 PM CST
Take credit for a great plant.
Name: Ron
Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Jun 22, 2015 9:07 AM CST
I think the question Michael's asking is more "What species?" than "What cultivar?"

I'm not familiar with the history of the various colors now sported by A. obesum, but possibly there has been some hybridization with other species in the past, whether accidental or intentional, at least with some strains. However, there is a lot of natural variation within the species across it's range, and this variation is heavily exploited in the development of different varieties. Mutations are also discovered in cultivation that are added to the gene mix. They are still considered to be Adenium obesum.

To the point Melissa made, by definition a cultivar must be stable in propagation. A cultivar is not the same as a clone. There are many examples of seed-grown cultivars, but the seed-grown plants must be virtually identical in all salient aspects. That is not the case with Adenium obesum cultivated varieties. Since A. obesum seedlings from cultivars are highly variable, in order to be considered the same cultivar, the plant must also be a clone.

So, yes, you can name it 'Michael's Favorite' or whatever you choose, and use that name if you distribute it. It does not have to be "your" seedling in that you produced the seed or sprouted the seed yourself. If it is a non-reproduced seedling plant, regardless the source, you legally own the only exact genetic representative of that plant, and as such, it is your seedling to name if you choose.

That said, in the grand scheme of things, for a cultivar name to have any use or significance, the cultivar must be distinct or different enough to "develop a following". It must be desirable above a multitude of other similar varieties such that a demand is created for a clone of that particular plant.

My red A. obesum ('Red Taiwan') has very large, very red flowers, and the flowers can get a dusky shade to the outer portions of the petals. (On mine it is very subtle and hardly worth mentioning.) Here is a photo:

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Worth noting is the throat of my plant is yellow, not white. From what I can tell, Michael, that is also the case with your plant. Is that true?

[He] decided that if a few quiet beers wouldn't allow him to see things in a different light, then a few more probably would. - Terry Pratchett

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