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springfield MO area (Zone 6a)
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Frillylily
Jun 20, 2015 6:43 PM CST
Coneflower (Echinacea 'Cheyenne Spirit')

I bought some of these today and I guess I am confused. It appears to have different colored flowers on the same plant? Or is there more than one plant growing really close together in the pot with it? I am wondering if these really really really do come back every year? And do they spread by seeds to make new plants?

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jvdubb
Jun 21, 2015 5:04 AM CST
I have never been able to get an answer if each plant produces more than one color.
Mine overwinter so far
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ssgardener
Jun 21, 2015 6:09 AM CST
Frillylily, I started mine from seed last spring and they've all come back bigger and better this year. Thumbs up

I have no idea if they spread by seed and/or making new plants, but they (meaning each individual plant) have gotten so big this year that I'm going to have to transplant quite a few of them to give them more room.

They were so easy to start from seed that I'm going to assume that they are at least capable of being spread by seed.

So far each plant is producing only one color.
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Frillylily
Jun 21, 2015 8:21 AM CST
ok well mine have clearly more than one color in one POT. I wouldn't say that is one PLANT. I will do surgery today and see if I think it is one plant, or more than one growing really close together in the pot. I think it would be REALLY unlikely that more than one color could be on one plant. But who knows. They are beautiful though. I found them at Walmart for for $4.

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Oquawka, IL (Zone 5a)
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Rose1656
Jun 21, 2015 8:38 AM CST
You might be able to get a answer from Clint on here. He's posted them before and seems very knowledgeable about plants in general! Maybe you could send him a tree mail.
Name: Roy
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Reartinetiller
Jun 21, 2015 4:49 PM CST
Yes you can have different color blooms on one coneflower plant. Google this, Coneflower (Echinacea 'Cheyenne Spirit'). Roy
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clintbrown
Jun 21, 2015 6:40 PM CST

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Some of these change colors. However, sometimes they put more than one in a pot. Look at the base of the plant and see if there is more than one crown.
Name: Bob
Vernon N.J. (Zone 6a)
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NJBob
Jun 21, 2015 6:41 PM CST

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I have a decent amount of these and all are one color per plant. Some flowers start off a different looking color like orange and as they mature they become the same color red. Many stores sell 2 or 3 in a pot. They do start and spread from seed but if you want them to flower the first season start them indoors around Jan.
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clintbrown
Jun 21, 2015 6:51 PM CST

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Bob - I saw some of these at Lowes yesterday that had yellow and red blooms on the same plant. It had blooms that changed. These are so nice! I found they come back good each year too. Dif your plants all come back from last year?
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NJBob
Jun 21, 2015 9:27 PM CST

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The CS all came back , but they are behind my others in size . They did the same last year, they did ok but never really caught up to my others.
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Frillylily
Jun 21, 2015 9:58 PM CST
Bob, what varieties do you have that come back reliably and perform well for you? I am looking for things that will return every year, not just for two or three years and then die. Seeding is ok too, I had a purple one years ago that seeded some once in a while but it was not invasive at all.

I did note that the ones I bought are VERY fragrant and have a pleasant sweet smell.
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Rose1656
Jun 22, 2015 6:53 AM CST
If the stupid rabbit ever let one of mine bloom, I might get to see if mine are fragrant!
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NJBob
Jun 22, 2015 7:57 PM CST

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Almost all from AB Cultivars have done well for me, but some of their doubles tend to have mite problems. would skip Cleopatra as it has very bad color retention. Terra Nova's newer releases over the past few years have been my best growers with Leilani and Glowing Dream being 2 of the best, great color and retention and very strong growth.
http://www.ab-cultivars.com/nl/assortiment/#
http://www.terranovanurseries.com/gardeners/echinacea-c-82_2...
springfield MO area (Zone 6a)
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Frillylily
Jun 22, 2015 9:43 PM CST
ok, maybe I am having a brain glitch moment...
what is AB?

I would not be interested in doubles, I prefer a more natural form to them. I did buy one the other day.. Sombrero ? something. It is a deep rich orange and smells divine. I hope it lives forever!

wow some real eye candy on those links! Drooling

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mandolls
Jun 23, 2015 4:22 AM CST
I had no idea that there were that many Echinacea out there! There are some beauties. I only have the old purple coneflower, which I grew from seed, but some of these others are very tempting - do they hold up to zone 4 winters?
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stilldew
Jun 23, 2015 4:55 AM CST
The Cheynne Spirit conefllowers are seed grown and come in a number of different colors. I have rose, orange and gold ones. The colors change a little as they fade, but are all the same on each plant. I think the ones that look like 2 colors in one pot had 2 seeds that were allowed to grow together rather than thinned to just one. They are going on year 2 here with no loses. I understand that seeds from an orange one will come true to that color, but have not tried collecting seeds. May do so this fall.
Name: Karen
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Cookies4kids
Jun 23, 2015 6:07 AM CST
I love coneflowers and have quite a few varieties that I like. A friend of mine who has an acre of fabulous gardens can't grow them to save her soul. They seem to be a very finicky plant for me, and that's the newer varieties. Some come every year and others pop up when they feel inclined to do so. Some years they are big and bushy, and other years they don't do as well. I really love them, so I gladly put up with all their little quirks. I also find a lot of different names for plants that look like the same thing. That Cheyenne does very well for me, and it does get many different colors on one plant. I try to buy them when they are blooming so I know what colors I will be getting, and that doesn't always hold true each year. I guess you have to go with the "trial and error" thing and find what works for you. They are a very favorite plant for me, so I try new ones each year.
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springfield MO area (Zone 6a)
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Frillylily
Jun 23, 2015 6:13 AM CST
after digging around in my pots, I have came to the conclusion, that there are several plants (crowns) in one pot really close together.
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clintbrown
Jun 23, 2015 6:49 AM CST

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Another good thing about Cheyenne Spirit is they cost less!
Name: Geof
NW Wisconsin (Zone 4b)
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mandolls
Jun 23, 2015 9:16 AM CST
Looks like Swallowtail has the Cheyenne Spirit seed. I'll try some next year. I could use some more hot colors in my garden. They call it a "high impact, long lived perennial winter hardy to zone 4" - sounds like my kind of plant.

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