Pacific Northwest Gardening forum: Hardy Echinacea for the PNW?

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Name: Mary
Lake Stevens, WA (Zone 8a)
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Pistil
Jun 30, 2015 4:52 PM CST
Way back when it was first heavily marketed, I had trouble with 'Magnus" where I used to live, it seemed to revert to the soft dusky barely visible mauve, then vanished forever. It was a very sandy spot, not watered much. Or maybe this was a seedling and the original was not perennial. I tried again in new home, also sandy, same result. Years later, I tried several of the fancy colorful new varieties (I don't recall which ones) but they did not return. This was on clay.
Now I have clay, but improved with about 6" of purchased planting mix on a slight slope where water never puddles. I tried some more, 3 years ago.

I planted one Echinacea 'PowWow White', which did not return.
Two E. purpurea 'Happy Star', another white variety, do return but are basically a white daisy, they are just starting to bloom now. Trouble free.
Lots of Echinacea 'White Swan'. Also just a white daisy. Only three of these have perennialized, they will bloom soon. Trouble free.

What Echinacea have you found to be hardy perennials here in the PNW?
What conditions do they prefer?
What conditions do they dislike?
Springcolor planted several of the new varieties several years ago- are any of them ones you might recommend?
Name: Mary Stella
Anchorage, AK (Zone 4b)
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Oberon46
Jul 1, 2015 7:59 AM CST
I also wonder about its hardiness. I have tried to grow Echinacea and had no luck. One lasted two summers then disappeared. Never thrived.
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Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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springcolor
Jul 1, 2015 8:52 AM CST
I have had some issues with this for sure. I will expand on this later tonight. I have had the exact some experience as Pistil but i do have names of cultivars that have survived for many years..
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Name: Jewell
South Puget Sound (Zone 7a)
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Jewell
Jul 2, 2015 5:14 AM CST
Mine are self sown noids so not named varieties and just the common color. The soil where they have volunteered is between or at the edges the brick pathway or patio. All areas are very sunny...as in all day sun. The soil is sandy and receives limited watering. Echinacea plants usually stick around for a few years (3-4) and I have limited number of volunteers.
Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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springcolor
Jul 4, 2015 10:10 AM CST
Finally have a moment before the day starts. With all this sun was hard getting any great pictures. I hate to admit this but have dropped some serious cash on these plants over the years. This is what I learned and what seems to work for me. I don't buy plugs any more because they die, only buy gallon size with as much base growth as possible and plant early, never in the fall. Soil must be free draining, mine is an old rose bed that has a rockery on one side, very free draining soil. Also, here in the northwest the site must have all day sun. I don't fertilize either. These are the varieties that have been with me for 4 or 5 years but seem to still loose some for unknown reasons..
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Hot lava or Flame Thrower


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Thumb of 2015-07-04/springcolor/2b014e Hot Papaya, Have killed this one 2 times but love the color on this one

Cleopatra

I have a few others in the same bed but no tags. I think what does these plants in are the rains we get in the early spring. Also the slugs love these plants when they emerge. I'm no exert but have made plenty of mistakes with these plants. I also have Echies down at the rental house planted in a west facing bed under and eve and they do well. Most of these plants are from seeds I saved off my named varieties but they all turned out pink. They is also some good information on cubits. I will get the link.
http://cubits.org/echinaceas/
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Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Jul 4, 2015 10:47 AM CST
I only grow the common pinky purple one and it is struggling this year. I do love it and will replace if it doesn't make it.
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Name: Joy Wooldridge
Kalama, Wa. (Zone 8b)
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Joy
Jul 6, 2015 5:08 PM CST
I have a few that have lasted the past 4 years or better.Mine are all grown in containers. I've learned to winter them under my porch. I water everything under it once a month during the winter. And I don't put them out until we get dryer weather. I'll have to go out later to get their names. But off the top of my head, white swan has been growing here probably 8 years or more. I do think it's our wet winters and spring that are killing them.
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Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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springcolor
Jul 6, 2015 7:43 PM CST
I will be interested to know what cultivars have been successful for you. Thank you for the Acorn 's Joy.
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Name: Joy Wooldridge
Kalama, Wa. (Zone 8b)
Sunset Zone 6, Heat zone 4,
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Joy
Jul 6, 2015 8:51 PM CST
You are welcome Julia. I found your post to be most helpful. Thank you. Smiling

I didn't state that very well. I winter mine on my covered porch, not under my porch. Hilarious!

Here's what has lasted now at least 4 years.
Secret Lust
Secret Romance
Amazing Dream
Green Eyes

I got PowWow Wild Berry and Sombrero Lemon Yellow last year, and so far, so good. Except Sombrero Lemon Yellow gets weird blooms all the time. Some of the petals will be longer on one side then on the other. I'll have to take a pic to show you what I mean.
I'm thinking they should have tried correcting this through their breeding before releasing it? Or maybe I just got an odd plant? Any viruses that cause this sort of thing?

I got Julia and Virgin this year because I had heard they last longer than some others, so we'll see? Pictures of Virgin knocked me off my feet! Sticking tongue out
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Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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springcolor
Jul 6, 2015 11:57 PM CST
I had no luck with any of the Secret series but they were plugs. Best to buy the gallon size for me. I would love to see the bloom on the Sombrero that is odd. Never grown any of Sombrero Echies so no experience. You might find an answer over on the cubits site.
I would love to try this one.
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Name: Joy Wooldridge
Kalama, Wa. (Zone 8b)
Sunset Zone 6, Heat zone 4,
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Joy
Jul 7, 2015 12:00 AM CST
Oh yes!!! Love that one too. Will try to remember to take the photo tomorrow. It really looks odd. I'll try Cubits. Thanks
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Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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springcolor
Jul 7, 2015 12:03 AM CST
Yes our Clint Brown and NJBob are very knowledgeable about these plants which would be helpful with some issues but not much help with growing in PNW.
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Name: Joy Wooldridge
Kalama, Wa. (Zone 8b)
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Joy
Jul 8, 2015 1:21 AM CST
Here's a couple photos of the odd blooms on Sombrero Lemon Yellow.
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Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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springcolor
Jul 8, 2015 9:10 AM CST
Just guessing here but maybe mites? Can you see any bugs with a magnifying glass?
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Name: Joy Wooldridge
Kalama, Wa. (Zone 8b)
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Joy
Jul 8, 2015 1:31 PM CST
No. No pests. It's grown this way sense I got it. It seems to be a healthy plant. It's blooms just don't form correctly.
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Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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springcolor
Jul 8, 2015 1:39 PM CST
Very strange.
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Name: Joy Wooldridge
Kalama, Wa. (Zone 8b)
Sunset Zone 6, Heat zone 4,
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Joy
Jul 8, 2015 2:35 PM CST
I bought the plant from the clearance section of Lowes garden center last year. It didn't have any blooms when I bought it. I see now, why it was marked down. Hilarious! If it were a cool looking oddity, that would be one thing, but this doesn't even look good. I think I'll compost it sense it hasn't improved.
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Name: Julia
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springcolor
Jul 8, 2015 3:09 PM CST
Don't compost maybe move to the outskirts of the yard. Such a great yellow. Looking from afar may be the ticket for this guy.
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Name: Joy Wooldridge
Kalama, Wa. (Zone 8b)
Sunset Zone 6, Heat zone 4,
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Joy
Jul 8, 2015 4:08 PM CST
Ok. You convinced me. I'll try it. Smiling
No two gardens are the same. No two days are the same in one garden. ~Hugh Johnson
Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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springcolor
Jul 11, 2015 9:17 PM CST
A few more pictures. These had names but lost the tags.
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