Gardening for Butterflies, Birds and Bees forum: Swallowtail on Miss Molly Butterfly bush!

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Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
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Jul 7, 2015 8:39 AM CST
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Name: Melanie Long
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mellielong
Jul 7, 2015 10:23 AM CST

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Butterfly bush is invasive in 20 states so it's not something I recommend people plant. I prefer to stick to natives. But that's a nice Palamedes Swallowtail you have there.
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jvdubb
Jul 7, 2015 10:33 AM CST
I am in no way trying to be nasty, but that would leave 30 states where it is not invasive.
Name: Melanie Long
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mellielong
Jul 7, 2015 4:13 PM CST

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Yes, but the original poster lives in one of them. http://www.eddmaps.org/southeast/distribution/usstate.cfm?su...

And why take the chance when you could plant something that would actually help pollinators?
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Name: stone
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stone
Jul 8, 2015 11:30 AM CST
Maybe visit the original post... Where op asked what kind of reception she was likely to get posting buddleia?
The thread "Are Butterfly bushes off limits?" in Ask a Question forum

Miss Molly is supposed to be sterile, and not spread by seed.
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mellielong
Jul 8, 2015 3:25 PM CST

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Stone, if the OP wanted us to look at her original question, she should have provided a link to it. We don't all check all the forums looking for related threads. Therefore, I just responded to this one.
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Name: Jay
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Horntoad
Jul 8, 2015 3:49 PM CST
stone said:Maybe visit the original post... Where op asked what kind of reception she was likely to get posting buddleia?


She did not ask what kind of reception she would get, she asked if we could have a Butterfly Bush forum.
I don't think the reception that Melanie gave was bad anyway. She didn't berate Sheri for growing it, only mention that it was invasive and not something she would recommend.
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Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
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Sheridragonfly
Jul 12, 2015 12:27 PM CST
You know I have never had a butterfly bush spread or be invasive in my entire life of growing flowers.
I think that is why being courteous as I am

I asked the question on a forum about budleia and even posting a picture in a way
as to not ruffle feathers so to speak..

To me they are beautiful, they fill a gorgeous spot in my flower garden they provide for the butterflys
and hummingbirds, they photograph beautifully and I love photography..
they arch and and are beautiful to the eye...

I can not grow milkweed nor do I have room for trumpet vines, passion vines
nor all types of plants that
get huge...

I have to scale my flower bed ...according to light, and size of the flower bed and my physical challenges...

So through the years I choose as we all do what we like to photograph, what we attract
to the flower bed, the colors, and just what brings us joy..

Each persons brain sees something differently than another person..
That is what makes gardening joyful..
Sheri

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Name: Sheridragonfly/Sheri
Alabama (Zone 8b)
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Sheridragonfly
Jul 12, 2015 12:33 PM CST
no hard feelings...
everyone has their own opinions
sometimes I may not read throughly
as I ought to before typing an answer..
I try to be courteous and even if I know
something to be true or that I have experience
I try to be a little humble in what I answer ..
I do try... Crying
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Horntoad
Jul 12, 2015 12:54 PM CST
Sheridragonfly said:You know I have never had a butterfly bush spread or be invasive in my entire life of growing flowers.
Sheri


The term invasive has nothing to do with how they behave in your garden, but the effect on the environment. When plants escape cultivation the can have a negative impact on the native ecosystem. Butterfly Bush is considered one of those that has escaped and had a negative impact. But unless it is strictly prohibited in your state I would say, to each his own and let your conscious be your guide. As stone pointed out yours is probably sterile so would not be an issue with invasiveness anyway. If you do have any that do produce seed then deheading would be advisable.
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Name: stone
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stone
Jul 13, 2015 6:35 AM CST
Sheridragonfly said:I asked the question on a forum about budleia and even posting a picture in a way as to not ruffle feathers so to speak..

Prolly shoulda mentioned the previous post with a link...
But... I was surprised by the defensive responses posted when I did provide the link...
I can not grow milkweed nor do I have room for trumpet vines, passion vines
nor all types of plants that
get huge...

There are a number of milkweeds that you could be growing that do not spread, esp; asclepias tuberosa, which grows from seeds fairly easily.

Speaking of large plants...
How much turf do you have?
Hate that stuff.... Probably the single largest reason for butterfly decline...

Even growing sterile cultivars leaves us open to critism by the purists... Partly because of what happened with the Bradford pears...
They weren't a problem when there was a single variety being planted... When other types were brought in... They cross-pollinated, and suddenly started coming up everywhere!

Whether that's likely with the supposed sterile cultivars of buddleja is subject to conjecture.

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