dyzzypyxxy said:

You know, David I've been hesitating to say it, but you really need to move to a house with more garden space . . . change your bucket, man! You've got the gardening bug, bigtime.

i used to live on a kibbutz
i learnt to be a gardener here in jerusalem
i tought basic principles of lanscaping small gardens from the architechtonic direction
so that is where iget my thrill......
one day maybe we will move to a house with agarden like too many people

I was thinking the same thing Elaine said. I think that gardeners must have been the original colonial imperialists.

No matter how much space we have, we fill it. Full!

Then, like weeds, we start to encroach on nearby yards ...

David, just once I had the chance to walk around some redwoods. They had a very potent feeling that was like a cathedral or synagog or mosque. A really, really, REALLY holy cathedral or synagog or mosque.

As a kid, religious services in churches often did not seem very special to me. Then, at some Boy Scout camp-out, they happened to bring in a priest on a Sunday for the Catholic boys. It was totally ad hoc and amateur-hour. He balanced a flimsy card table on some uneven terrain in a small, partly open space amongst the trees.

Then, suddenly, the Sun, the silence, the trees, breaths of breeze and occasional birdsong turned into a jaw-dropping Holy Presence of Something. Nature, Yahveh, Jehovah or whatever - I don't pretend to know that kind of detail - the divine Presence in that woody clearing made cleawr what religious services try to accomplish.

I guess that was off-topic.

RickCorey said:I was thinking the same thing Elaine said. I think that gardeners must have been the original colonial imperialists.

No matter how much space we have, we fill it. Full!

Then, like weeds, we start to encroach on nearby yards ...

David, just once I had the chance to walk around some redwoods. They had a very potent feeling that was like a cathedral or synagog or mosque. A really, really, REALLY holy cathedral or synagog or mosque.

As a kid, religious services in churches often did not seem very special to me. Then, at some Boy Scout camp-out, they happened to bring in a priest on a Sunday for the Catholic boys. It was totally ad hoc and amateur-hour. He balanced a flimsy card table on some uneven terrain in a small, partly open space amongst the trees.

Then, suddenly, the Sun, the silence, the trees, breaths of breeze and occasional birdsong turned into a jaw-dropping Holy Presence of Something. Nature, Yahveh, Jehovah or whatever - I don't pretend to know that kind of detail - the divine Presence in that woody clearing made cleawr what religious services try to accomplish.

I guess that was off-topic.

not at all
i meditate since 1980.....many years and that helps me to understand your attitude to the unadjustness that is around.when i meditate i feel very close to nature.also my own nature.
my teacher lives in malibu.....

RickCorey said:I was thinking the same thing Elaine said. I think that gardeners must have been the original colonial imperialists.

No matter how much space we have, we fill it. Full!

Then, like weeds, we start to encroach on nearby yards ...

David, just once I had the chance to walk around some redwoods. They had a very potent feeling that was like a cathedral or synagog or mosque. A really, really, REALLY holy cathedral or synagog or mosque.

As a kid, religious services in churches often did not seem very special to me. Then, at some Boy Scout camp-out, they happened to bring in a priest on a Sunday for the Catholic boys. It was totally ad hoc and amateur-hour. He balanced a flimsy card table on some uneven terrain in a small, partly open space amongst the trees.

Then, suddenly, the Sun, the silence, the trees, breaths of breeze and occasional birdsong turned into a jaw-dropping Holy Presence of Something. Nature, Yahveh, Jehovah or whatever - I don't pretend to know that kind of detail - the divine Presence in that woody clearing made cleawr what religious services try to accomplish.

I guess that was off-topic.

not at all
i meditate since 1980.....many years and that helps me to understand your attitude to the unadjustness that is around.when i meditate i feel very close to nature.also my own nature.
my teacher lives in malibu.....
i just planted 4 different types of coleus in one planter.i was told i need to help the polination with my own hands.

I think that gardening and meditation go very well together. Not at the same time, maybe: while weeding I tend to cu5rse and grumble.

But after a long day of working hard in the garden, meditation seems very appropriate.

That was beautiful, Rick!

Thank you! It was an important experience for me, and it helps to tell someone else about it every few years.

It was like a night-and-day experience, after (yawn) Latin, robes and incense to suddenly be out in the woods and then WHAM "the divine light" descends.

The redwood forest was quieter, but also a holy place.

I'm sure that, if we were perceptive enough, every place and moment would be seen to be holy ..,. but I'm not there yet. Not by many years.

RickCorey said:Thank you! It was an important experience for me, and it helps to tell someone else about it every few years.

It was like a night-and-day experience, after (yawn) Latin, robes and incense to suddenly be out in the woods and then WHAM "the divine light" descends.

The redwood forest was quieter, but also a holy place.

I'm sure that, if we were perceptive enough, every place and moment would be seen to be holy ..,. but I'm not there yet. Not by many years.

nice said

Thank you.

Hi David,

Apparently Israel has severe restrictions on the import of seeds. At least, that seems to be suggested by this link to Swallowtail Seeds' international sales information.

http://www.swallowtailgardense...

The advice to purchase separate colors of zinnias seems like a good approach.

ZM

Thanks, ZM, that's depressing but helpful.

I still haven;t gotten it together, but we'll soon know whether they lock out private seed exchanges as well as commercial sales.

thank you zen man....
rick if it is complicated then skip the mailing....i find here and there zinnia plants and i will try to pick of a flower and dry the seeds for sowing.
thank you

Towards the end of the summer, into fall is the best time to score seeds from plants you see around you, David. Most gardeners "deadhead" their zinnias to keep them blooming as long as possible.

As with many flowering plants, if you let them make seeds too early in their flowering season, they will end up putting all the plant's energy into making seeds and will stop flowering.

If you befriend someone with a garden full of nice zinnias, maybe they will save the flower heads for you. The very best way to score free seeds of many colors!

thanks for your advices
sorry for my ignorance....its 36 degrees.
i am talking about variety not only in color but also size.
if i do as you said get some flowers or buy some someone said you dont know what is in the seeds produced by these flowers.
i have now one big(for example)flower and one small.is there anything going to happen between them if they are close enough?
the chrysanthemum dont look so well...
i keep tempting to put them only in water and in a shady but not humid place.
it looks like the greenhouse is too heavy for them although i have them in a shady place(under tables)
they look dried out but still have leaves on them.
i rooted a fuchsia in water in the same greenhouse so i have confidence in this season in water technique
what is deadhead.
by the way when i took off the flowers from the bouque of chrysanthemums to make cuttings i kept the flowers on a piece of cardboard......can i use them for sowing?

The chrysanthemum flowers probably didn't get pollinated, David and were probably also cut before they could start making seeds, so it's doubtful they will make seeds.

It is very likely too hot in the greenhouse for those cuttings, even in the shade under the table. That was what we call a "long shot" at best. If the leaves are looking dried out even in the greenhouse's humid conditions, they won't get any better in a dry condition even if it is cooler. Spray them with water whenever you get a chance.

Deadheading is cutting off the spent flowers when they no longer look pretty. As to the cross-pollination, I would think almost any zinnia can cross with any other. You just won't know what you're going to get.

wow that was a quick answer and very informative thanks.it was worth trying.

wow that was a quick answer and very informative thanks.it was worth trying.
do you know by any chance when my decorative pumpkin will be cut and i open it.....
will i have productive seeds inside?

It won't be very complicated for me, they just might be confiscated.

The delay is just my procrastination.

Pumpkins here are left on the vines until the vines die. Where they are grown commercially, (not in Florida) they let the first few frosty nights kill the vines, leave the pumpkins sitting in the fields and harvest them all in October, in time for Hallowe'en and Thanksgiving.

I think a decorative pumpkin can be harvested as soon as it looks as pretty as you want it to. But the longer you leave it on the vine, the more likely you will have viable seeds to harvest.

RickCorey said:It won't be very complicated for me, they just might be confiscated.

The delay is just my procrastination.

rick hebrew please.....like my students say.....i did not understand anything.......really