Roses forum: Rose seeds please

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Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
Jul 18, 2015 9:42 PM CST
Hello, I am actively seeking anyone that has red rose bush seeds. This may sound funny, but specifically the one that Zorro would have in his mouth. The basic one.
Thank you.
Brenden
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Jul 18, 2015 10:29 PM CST
Brenden ...

Welcome! to ATP.

Unless a rose is a species rose, roses do not grow true to seed. Once a cross is made the only way a new rose is brought forward for testing and then introduction to commerce is through the propagation of cuttings through budding or own root.

Lyn
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Name: Zuzu
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Jul 18, 2015 11:18 PM CST

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And the one Zorro clenches in his teeth is definitely not a species rose, so you can't grow it from seed.
Name: Lyn
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Jul 19, 2015 1:19 AM CST
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Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
Jul 19, 2015 7:48 AM CST
RoseBlush1 said:Brenden ...

Welcome! to ATP.

Unless a rose is a species rose, roses do not grow true to seed. Once a cross is made the only way a new rose is brought forward for testing and then introduction to commerce is through the propagation of cuttings through budding or own root.

Lyn


Well, I am confused. Can you reword that please?
Brenden
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Jul 19, 2015 8:11 AM CST
OK ...

Think of the 'Peace' rose. It sold in the millions and is still selling. All of those roses came from ONE seed. Yes, just one. When the breeder saw the seedling, he thought there was a chance that this seedling would be a good rose. The only way that same rose could be brought forward and propagated was to take pieces of that seedling and multiply it by budding those cuttings to root stock to make new roses for testing and introduction into commerce because any cross of two roses had the possibility of more than 250, 000,000 outcomes, even tho' the breeder made the exactly the same cross using the same parent roses. Seeds from the new seedling would never create the same rose that was created in the same cross.

Only Nature can create roses that come true from seed. Those roses are defined as species roses. All other roses are cultivars created by a breeder.

Zorro's rose would have never been created by Nature and that plant can never produce roses that come true from seed. If seeds were sown from that rose, there is no guarantee that you would be able to grow the same rose ever again. It is not a species rose and only species roses can grow true from seed.

The only way you could possibly grow the rose that was used as Zorro's rose would be for you to find out the name of the rose, get a cutting to propagate either by budding or own root, never by seed.

Lyn

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Name: Mike
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Calsurf73
Jul 19, 2015 10:02 AM CST
Lyn just gave you an excellent explanation !
Bravo, Lyn ! Hurray!
Name: Porkpal
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Jul 19, 2015 10:20 AM CST
Does anyone know which rose it was that Zorro held in his mouth?
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Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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Jul 19, 2015 1:03 PM CST
RoseBlush1 said:OK ...

Think of the 'Peace' rose. It sold in the millions and is still selling. All of those roses came fomr ONE seed. Yes, just one. When the breeder saw the seedling, he thought there was a chance that this seedling would be a good rose. The only way that same rose could be brought forward and propagated was to take pieces of that seedling and multiply it by budding those cuttings to root stock to make new roses for testing and introduction into commerce because any cross of two or more roses had the possibility of more than 250, 000,000 outcomes, even tho' the breeder made the exactly the same cross using the same parent roses. Seeds from the new seedling would never create the same rose that was created in the same cross.

Only Nature can create roses that come true from seed. Those roses are defined as species roses. All other roses are cultivars created by a breeder.

Zorro's rose would have never been created by Nature and that plant can never produce roses that come true from seed. If seeds were sown from that rose, there is no guarantee that you would be able to grow the same rose ever again. It is not a species rose and only species roses can grow true from seed.

The only way you could possibly grow the rose that was used as Zorro's rose would be for you to find out the name of the rose, get a cutting to propagate either by budding or own root, never by seed.

Lyn


Good god. Much better. Sometimes my blonde turns me blind, to be blandly blunt. But much appreciated
Brenden
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Jul 19, 2015 2:00 PM CST
Calsurf73 said:Lyn just gave you an excellent explanation !
Bravo, Lyn ! Hurray!


Thank you, Mike.

PP ... just a guess on my part, but I think Zorro's rose was derived from R. plastica or R. silkiea. I think they are the only roses that might hold up under the hot lights used during filming.

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Lyn

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