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Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Jul 20, 2015 1:45 PM CST
The following is a record of my first adventure into growing adeniums from seed. I live in a wet tropical climate where the average yearly temperature is 81 F, average yearly rainfall is 110", and my plants are grown outdoors.
July 25, 2014: A. obesum seeds planted in community trays.
Sep. 12: Transplanted seedlings into 4" pots when had 5 true leaves. Some had tap root cut and terminal apex snipped for experimentation.
October 1:
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Nov. 8: Some DRs up-potted to 5" pots.
Dec. 14:
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Feb. 18, 2015: Some DRs up-potted to 6" pots.
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Mar. 10:
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Mar. 10: Some DRs up-potted to 8" panterra bowls for experimental bonsai training.
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April 12: Results of tap root cutting:
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April 14: First bloom. Tap root was not cut.
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May 2: Second bloom. Tap root was not cut.
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May 22: More adeniums potted-up.
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June 27: My most compact adenium. "Chubbs"
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June 29:


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July 9, 2015: Started a new adventure...A. arabicum and Thai Soco.
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Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Jul 20, 2015 4:11 PM CST
There were a few DRs that had roots "cropped" when 5 mos. old. Main roots were cut off but leaving a radius of feeder roots at the base of the caudex (above the cut).
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Here are a couple of results...picture was taken today.
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Name: Rick
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RCanada
Jul 20, 2015 6:27 PM CST
Kadie, Those are so spectacular. You know, you are getting the same look/style that many of the Thai people are getting with the roots around the outside edge of the caudex. This is what they would do and raise with time.
You cut off the central roots from inside and left the perimeter roots on?
Wonderful plants. I need some more ideas.

Rick
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Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Jul 20, 2015 7:06 PM CST
Thanks, Rick. I get a lot of my ideas from youtube. Leaving the fine feeder roots at the perimeter was my idea...usually all the roots are sliced off. With the exception of the A. arabicum and Thai Soco seedlings, none of the plants above are a year old, but will be on/about Aug. 1.
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Name: KadieD
Oceania, Mariana Islands (Zone 11b)
Wet Tropical AHS Zone 12
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Rainbow
Aug 12, 2015 8:56 AM CST
July 4: A tropical storm was forecasted to hit us so I placed all my adeniums on the ground under cover of their platform. Wouldn't you know it...slugs ate the bark of some of my trees. Grumbling Crying Sighing!
August 12: Unpotted this one year old as it was growing out of its 8" panterra bowl.
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I am hoping that with time the scarred trunk due to slugs will look "aged."


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Trimmed the roots, pruned the branches, and defoliated somewhat. Will dry for a week or so. This will be the first tree for bonsai soil (gritty mix). What! No akadama nor pumice on island? Shoot...looks like it will be turface, chicken grit, and pine bark (if it's available). Sighing!
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Name: Ken Ramsey
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drdawg
Aug 12, 2015 11:12 AM CST
You are doing a very interesting project, Kadie. It is a shame slugs got to your plants, but as you say, the damage may end up adding "character" to the adeniums.
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Name: KadieD
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Wet Tropical AHS Zone 12
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Rainbow
Aug 12, 2015 11:35 AM CST
Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Yes! As we age, we hope to get some redeeming "character." Ken, you're so funny even if you don't mean to be?
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Name: Ken Ramsey
Starkville, MS (Zone 8a)
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drdawg
Aug 12, 2015 11:58 AM CST
I guess I missed my calling...........comedian. Whistling
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Name: KadieD
Oceania, Mariana Islands (Zone 11b)
Wet Tropical AHS Zone 12
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Rainbow
Aug 13, 2015 2:22 PM CST
Finally!!! Hurray! Found info about bonsai mixes and how to prepare...that was to the point and not at all confusing (for me, at least)! I had still been having reservations about using chicken grit in a bonsai mix and binged about it...came across this site: http://columbusbonsai.org/content/soil-mixtures
Some will say, "Yes, I knew that." But for me, after countless hours of research on the internet and reading various forums, I would only come away with more questions.
So...glad to share this link for anyone who, like me, is just now venturing into "bonsai." nodding


Name: KadieD
Oceania, Mariana Islands (Zone 11b)
Wet Tropical AHS Zone 12
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Rainbow
Aug 22, 2015 11:07 PM CST
July 23, at 2.5 weeks old, caudex was buried on 3 Thai soco’s and 1 Crispum x arabicum. The objective of this experiment was to see if the caudex would grow fatter than the others. Perlite and cut water bottles were used. As they grew taller, more perlite was added.
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Aug. 23, at 7 weeks old, caudex was "unearthed," perlite and water bottles removed.
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Results: Caudex did not grow fatter, and in fact, was skinnier than others. One of the Thai soco’s and the 1 Crispum x arabicum are dying from rot due to excessive rains.

Another experiment on the remaining Thai soco's will be conducted in about a week.

@RCanada, I will try not to kill any more of your Thai soco's! Sad The one remaining Crispum x arabicum is fatter than the soco's. Hurray!
Name: Rick
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RCanada
Aug 23, 2015 6:33 AM CST
Katie,
I have seen this done once before and I was curious to see results, but at the same time I was dubious as to the prognosis. These are things that are good to try, as it is the only true way we will find out the answers.
My thoughts at the time where that it was going to be like pulling dirt up around celery or asparagus which blanches (turning white) them due to lack of sun/chlorophyll. Which in turn it seems to be the case.
My experience with the Arabicums is that the upper portion above soil (caudex) grows horizontally across. Which is noted and documented by the many experienced growers of these. The ones I have watched grow, when unearthed have a vacant area (more so on older plants) directly below and roots radiate out from edge of caudex.

One thing I have been toying with is the potting up of my obesum, obesum x's. Trying to see if I can encourage them to grow very wide root systems, rather then long roots. So when they get raised they have a 'up side down "V" shape'. This is my preference for overall finished shape of tree when maturing. I do not favor the " Beach Ball on a straw" shape. Just my own preference.
Rick
"Many times a day I realize how much my own outer and inner life is built upon the labors of my fellow men, both living and dead, and how earnestly I must exert myself in order to give in return as much as I received"
Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Aug 23, 2015 12:04 PM CST
Rick,

I like the upside down V shape also (八) with a mushroom-shaped canopy on top (︵) for my obesums.

I had toyed around with the idea of raising and elongating the tap root of some of my obesums, but I think this is better done with A. somalense? Is this the shape you are referring to as beach ball-on-a-straw? Or is this something else entirely?

Kadie
Name: Rick
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RCanada
Aug 23, 2015 4:04 PM CST
No, what I referring to ( I did not give a great explanation). I have had some obesums grow a bulbous base and raised them. Underneath it was narrower and when raised it looked like a
ball on a narrow pedestal. Just not my preference.
Anucha from Thailand had posted some photos of tall pole shaped Caudex's (tree form). I believe you are correct that the Somalense's would be a good one for this with their natural growth habit.
I almost wonder if you could grow the root inside a cylinder like a straw, tube or something and use larger ones as it grows. Not sure if this would work. Somehow the root would have to be able to thicken and grow thicker at the base and slightly narrower towards the top.
Rick
"Many times a day I realize how much my own outer and inner life is built upon the labors of my fellow men, both living and dead, and how earnestly I must exert myself in order to give in return as much as I received"
Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Aug 23, 2015 5:12 PM CST
Rick, thank you very much for clarifying. I do not have A. somalense and will not try to elongate roots of A. obesum...certainly would be good to experiment, but for me, too much manipulation and work. @drdawg, would you care to try?
Kadie
Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Sep 21, 2015 10:22 AM CST
Sep. 21
At 11 weeks old, these arabicums are overdue for transplanting.
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The two in front are crispum x arabicum, the rest are Thai socotranum.
Name: Ken Ramsey
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drdawg
Sep 21, 2015 12:40 PM CST
KD, how do you know when to transplant and what do you transplant them to? Will you plant them at the same stem-level as they are growing now?

Here are pictures of a handful of mine. The largest, the one in the middle back row and in the second picture, is almost 5" tall and the smallest is around 3" tall. What causes this pink blush of the stem on some of my plants? Should I transplant the larger ones or are they fine for a while? It looks like my plants have two leaf forms. One is round and one is pointed. I know some of mine are obesium (@Ursula). Do I have two varieties here? Do I leave those small lower leaves that are growing on some of my plants?

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Name: KadieD
Oceania, Mariana Islands (Zone 11b)
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Rainbow
Sep 21, 2015 1:17 PM CST
Ken, in my post above I showed "arabicums" that I need to transplant to begin root training.

Your obesums above are perfectly fine and doing well so there is no need to transplant at this time. I would suggest, however, that the terminal apex be nipped so as to make the tree branch out. More branches, more flowers, plus the caudex will grow fat quicker. When the caudex nearly touches the pot rim, then it's time to transplant.

As you may know, seeds rarely take on all the characteristics of the mother plant of obesums. They have been cross cultivated with other subspecies. My obesums have different leaf forms, colors and textures. And the caudexes have different colors and textures also; I had/have some that were pinkish then turned into a green, grey, or brown color. These variations are perfectly normal for obesums. Allow the lower leaves to fall off on their own...there is no need to remove.

Note: The information given here is based on my own experiences with obesums.

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drdawg
Sep 21, 2015 2:32 PM CST
That's what I depend on, KD, one's personal experiences in growing a particular plant. That's what makes ATP so wonderful. Lots of experiences. Thank You!

I will do some "nipping" tomorrow.
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Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Sep 21, 2015 3:14 PM CST
You're Welcome! Ken. Glad to be of help.

Last year when I nipped I did not sprinkle the cut with cinnamon and they grew fine. However, this year I am doing this to the seedlings just to be on the safe side...our weather has been fluctuating a lot lately.

And Thank You! for your generous gift! Big Grin

Name: Ken Ramsey
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drdawg
Sep 21, 2015 3:42 PM CST
I use cinnamon all the time when I divide/cut my orchids. I have never used it on any other plant though. When I root plumeria cuttings or air-layer plants, the rooting hormone has a fungicide/bactericide, so cinnamon is not necessary.
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