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Sep 28, 2015 8:24 PM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
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@Needrain - the keiki is just a baby orchid. When they first emerge, quite small obviously. But as they get bigger, they just look like a small Phal. :-)

Two of my Phals have thrown basal keikis. Sometimes that is an indication of a declining plant. Often not. In my case, both the plants look fine. One of these is on the Phal that has a stem based keiki that is ~ 1 year old. Close to time to remove it. The Repotme site above has a lot of good info.
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Sep 28, 2015 8:39 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Raises cows Enjoys or suffers hot summers Region: Texas Plant Identifier
I'd like to see a keiki someday, but I don't see anything that looks like it will make a leaf. It has grown visibly since the last photo, so it's really not growing all that slowly. The stem tip, though, isn't growing as fast as it had been previously. I'm guessing more plant energy is going to those two on the side rather than the tip.
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Sep 28, 2015 8:55 PM CST
Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
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I usually find the lowest bud farthest from the tip of the spike matures first before the buds on the very tip itself.
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Sep 28, 2015 9:09 PM CST
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Like a lot of plants with "sprays" of flowers, these bloom from the bottom to the top and can have half the buds ready to burst with the other half still tiny.

The small branch off the original spike may throw more blooms given enough warm weather, and unless the whole stalk turns brown and dries up, it may produce an offset or keiki.

The best advice I got came from a gentleman with 4 greenhouses full of orchids of every description (and some worth 100's of dollars). He said that orchids are just like any other plant. Somewhere in the world that expensive plant is just another pretty flower growing on a dead tree. Smiling Watch your plant, see what it does and use the knowledge you have about plants in general. If something looks odd or wrong, ask someone.
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Sep 29, 2015 5:37 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
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I have read that a Phal. keiki grows because of stress on the plant. I don't have a way of knowing that. I occasionally get keiki growth but never really know why.
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Sep 29, 2015 12:16 PM CST
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Older plants will throw keikis as a form of "self preservation" . And, yes, lots of orchids will put out babies when they are stressed, just like a lot of less showy plants do. They will also put out a couple blooms to go to seed.
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Sep 29, 2015 12:31 PM CST
Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
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My dendrobiums here gets stressed a lot..so I get keikis often, much as I hope to get the much awaited blooms. But it's okay that means free plants, in case mommy orchid really wants to say adieu already.
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Oct 2, 2015 4:11 PM CST
Name: Jacque
Burton, WA - Old Hippie Heaven (Zone 8a)
Hi all, I'm posting my question here because I just bought an orchid. I've tried orchids before, and pretty much murdered them - the only one I've ever been successful with is Epidendrum x obrienianum . But reading needrain's adventures, I once more thought - it really seems like I should be able to do this.

So I bought one of these - http://www.westerlayorchids.co... - a small phal. It was in a small plastic cup, stuffed with roots, in a medium that looks almost like sawdust. So I decanted it and potted it into a small ceramic container about 1/2" larger than the plastic cup, set it a bit high, and added a few bits of orchid bark.

Long term, is orchid bark a good medium? Should I remove all the old growing medium, or just leave it be? Do these like to be tightly potted, or can I go a bit larger?

Any hints are welcome, and if my post needs to be moved, just let me know where it goes!
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Oct 2, 2015 4:25 PM CST
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Hi Jacque. I have found these sites to be most helpful to me. Also the Repotme site has info on all aspects of orchid growing from medium to fertilizer to what container to use.

https://www.aos.org/Default.as...

http://www.repotme.com/orchid-...

http://www.repotme.com/orchid-...
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Oct 2, 2015 5:56 PM CST
Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
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Hello jacque! Yes orchid bark mix is okay to use. For the beginner, just make sure you use the chunky bark mix. I would have soaked the media overnight in warm water, to open up the bark a bit, remove it from the water and repot in a container with side and bottom drainage holes. Some growers do not soak the media, so it is a matter of preference at times, especially if they are really used to growing them. Then on the first few weeks, I would dunk water root zone, it takes awhile for bark media to be moisture retentive. Very important to adjust watering frequency as the season changes..if it gets cooler, give it more interval.

When I repot, I remove the old media totally, so I can visually see the status of the roots, then I use my newly soaked media.

Orchid bark media, eventually decomposes, so it is ideal to repot every 2 to 3 years. In my case since I have experimented some and learned just how much air these roots like, I have learned to use other methods, like a mix of chunky lava rock or I used hygrolon baggies or with clay rocks. I still use bark mix on one, eventually I will move it to my other media, simply because I hate to repot often:smily:

In my ongoing experience with them, I find these Phals do not really need to be tightly packed, I guess some need to do it to make them stand better. The plants often like making aerial roots and will find all the holes in your container to find air. I position them a bit tilted to the side, since that is how they go in nature, hanging on an branch, in part sun with lots of air movement and gets the rainshowers it needs. In our home environments, we have to augment the air movement so it helps to run ceiling fans or open windows to allow air around it weather permitting.

Oftentimes, the common killer of Phals is overwatering. This plant prefers cool dry conditions. Of course as a plant it needs the moisture so water has to drain very well on the root zone area and when temperature cools down during Fall to Spring, it helps the plant initiate flower spikes with blooms that can last for months. Fertilizing-wise, use less, weakly weekly, and flush the plant so it does not accumulate the salts.

Some people love to douse the leaves when watering, and they can do it since they have access to rainwater and/or reverse osmosis water.

I have learned not to wet the leaves, just watering the root zone and drying off the leaf. It seems our hardwater here is not so good for its leaves, seems to invite some undue rotting. Be careful when watering the crown, you have to dry that very well especially if you are growing them indoors, so you can avoid crown rot.
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Oct 2, 2015 7:05 PM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
Ignoring Zones altogether
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I keep most of my Phals in clear plastic so I can see what is going on with the roots. I can then check every watering. Once a month I run straight water thru to flush any build up of salts, etc.

I feed mine weakly-weekly or every 10 days at most. I "water" them in old butter containers and give them a good soaking. I also dip them twice. Once in the fert/water solution and a second dip in a mixture of 50 % Superthrive and 50 % root stimulator. There are several brands - one I have good luck with is Rapidstart. Be careful - if you get any water in the crown area soak it up immediately with a paper towel.

I use medium size orchid bark and perlite and sometimes add a bit of coir. When I report, I soak the media for 24 hours in warm water.

Good luck - OBTW. They say you are not a real orchid grower until several have up and died on you. Smiling
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Oct 2, 2015 7:40 PM CST
Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
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So true David Hilarious! Just have to grin and bear it after sulking a bit when one orchid fails after all the effort to grow it. Then it dawns on me, now I have space again to grow a new one. Smiling

I also attend orchid shows, love to meet the actual sellers there who grow their orchids and get to ask them some more to further educate myself in growing these wonderful plants.
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Oct 3, 2015 8:26 AM CST
Name: Jacque
Burton, WA - Old Hippie Heaven (Zone 8a)
Thanks so much for all the info!
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Oct 19, 2015 11:14 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Raises cows Enjoys or suffers hot summers Region: Texas Plant Identifier
The dollar orchid bloomed today! It's white - mostly. I guess I was supposed to add blue dye sometime or another, but no one here told me to be prepared to do that or how to do it. Here some photos.
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This next photo is to show what happened on the end of the stem. It made two buds and one more terminal bud. The terminal bud has not grown and the photo isn't great, but it's there. The second bud is growing so I think I will see a 2nd bloom if nothing happens. I'm really pleased at the first attempt at growing an orchid Green Grin! .
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Oct 19, 2015 11:16 AM CST
Name: tarev
San Joaquin County, CA (Zone 9b)
Give PEACE a chance!
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I love white blooms, very clean and fresh! Good job Donald! Hurray!
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Oct 19, 2015 11:27 AM CST
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Well done Donald. Thumbs up

You will be a pro in no time. nodding
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Oct 19, 2015 12:27 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Good growing, Donald. The plant looks happy and healthy.
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Oct 19, 2015 12:28 PM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
Ignoring Zones altogether
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Stopped at Lowes to check prices. Picked up 9 - 4.98-5.98 plants for 50 cents. Also got an Arbor that had been used for display purposes - 150 $ arbor for $25. Well done, if I do say so myself. nodding
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Oct 19, 2015 1:33 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I never see these kind of deals at our Lowe's. Crying
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Oct 19, 2015 1:34 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Raises cows Enjoys or suffers hot summers Region: Texas Plant Identifier
50 cent orchids?? I'd say you did really well! You're going to need a bigger kitchen Smiling .

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