Lilies forum: Worst performers/lilies you wish you never bought

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Skåne, Sweden (Zone 7b)
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William
Aug 6, 2015 2:25 PM CST
I know it's customary to always look for positives Lovey dubby , but... let's face it, some lilies are just not great performers in our own gardens, although they may be brilliantly elsewhere.

The sickest lily I ever grown (Botrytis) and the individual flowers doesn't last long:

As it performed so horrible here, I absolutely refused to even photograph it myself. However I'm going to try moving it to the kitchen garden where it gets more morning sun and more wind to see if it improves.

A NOID dvarf Asiatic pink/yellow that I got from a mix. Colours fade if it's hot and it blooms a very short time. Maybe I'll try this one for dinner Drooling

So... don't by shy, come here and confess your dislikes.
Personally I reserve the right to add to this list...

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Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Roosterlorn
Aug 6, 2015 5:36 PM CST
Purple Prince and Trebbiano. No explanation required. The poorest excuse of lilies known to mankind! Grumbling
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Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
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pardalinum
Aug 6, 2015 7:10 PM CST

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Any "purple" OT I have tried. They seem to be sold via photo-shopped catalog photos and once in the garden they become virused.
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lilymanrob
Aug 7, 2015 12:39 AM CST
what to do with virused lilies?

my purple prince has it, as does one of my 3 mussasi. im not bothered by it, but i dont want it to spoil other lilies..
Name: Tracey
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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magnolialover
Aug 7, 2015 5:29 AM CST

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'Double Pleasure' has to be one of the worst lilies I ever bought. Very odd form and poor plant structure overall. 'Purple King' is one of those "purples that pops up viruses no matter who I buy it from. Doesn't seem to be meant for the garden. I'm sure there are more and I will think of them Hilarious!
Tracey
Skåne, Sweden (Zone 7b)
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William
Aug 7, 2015 10:14 AM CST
Roosterlorn said:Purple Prince and Trebbiano. No explanation required. The poorest excuse of lilies known to mankind! Grumbling


'Purple Prince' seems to be almost universally hated.

For those few souls that aren't familiar with 'Trebbiano' I'm adding a picture:

It's supposed to be limegreen Rolling on the floor laughing

A previous discussion on here about the color actually saved me from buying this one. Yes, I was suspicious as it's such an unusual color, so did some research , but I could never have guessed it was this bad on my own. At this time I had not registered yet, so did not participate, but I think a Thank You! is in order, albeit a bit late!


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William
Aug 7, 2015 10:27 AM CST
lilymanrob said:what to do with virused lilies?

my purple prince has it, as does one of my 3 mussasi. im not bothered by it, but i dont want it to spoil other lilies..

Personally I'd sleep better throwing them away. Especially as prices for lilies in the UK are quite reasonable, why take a chance?



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patweppler
Aug 7, 2015 5:25 PM CST
so the only big one so far that was a total waste is a oriental called the Edge....
that was a total waste

my purple prince can stay where they are....they look ok against the blue grey siding
and add some add some staking for delphinium
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William
Aug 8, 2015 6:48 AM CST
Out of curiosity I'm wondering what made you so disappointed with the 'The Edge'?

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patweppler
Aug 10, 2015 7:07 AM CST
well the Edge first of all came up late but that is expected....since it is an oriental
the flowers were not what I expected....small with a tiny edge of pink
there was lots of flowers on the stem but they are small.........
just not impressed and I have 10 of these......
going to plant some shorter orientals in a different bed this fall and maybe I will feel differently next year.....

the flowers were healthy and they flopped over even though they were short and planted deep enough.....

I have other orientals much taller then this that did not need to be staked.......

other then that maybe Naplensee can add to this list, it is has still not bloomed...........

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BUGGYCRAZY
Aug 15, 2015 1:37 PM CST
My Edge performed well even the first year I grew it in this toxic climate, and most new bulbs have real problems here since they are so small (I am the only one I know of that ever sold mature lily bulbs). Give it some time to settle it sounds like it just didn't produce enough roots to perform well in the summer heat. My Mussasi was wonderful and I love the color, it divided into 2 this year and since this year was even more toxic than normal it was short, only 3 feet. Many lilies died here (among other plants) and due to the toxicity of this climate I do not expect them to return.
The absolute worst, ugliest excuse of a lily I ever grew is Sphinx, I grew it in an ideal climate and this hell on earth one and it made no difference. It is just as ugly in both places every season although I think the weather killed it for good this year and good riddance.

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patweppler
Aug 16, 2015 7:36 AM CST
So hopefully the edge is better next year.....
My salmon star is acting the same way and flopping but it is very pretty

and then of course Nepalense is a total waste of money
waited for it to bloom for months and finally it did
flower was tiny and Kirsha Maya is far nice and bigger flowers and gorgeous
I will replant the Nap in its own space an hope it comes back next spring if not.......lesson learned.........

Kirsha Maya just stopping blooming the last couple of days and bloomed for weeks and weeks.............a truly standout plant..........I am ordering more of these next spring
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lilymanrob
Aug 17, 2015 1:51 PM CST
William said:
Personally I'd sleep better throwing them away. Especially as prices for lilies in the UK are quite reasonable, why take a chance?




I sleep fine, take a chance on what? I like them with or without the virus.
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Roosterlorn
Aug 17, 2015 6:16 PM CST
lilymanrob said:

I sleep fine, take a chance on what? I like them with or without the virus.


Oh, I don't think many would agree with you on that, lilymanrob.

Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
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Mutisia
Aug 17, 2015 6:53 PM CST
William, this virus spreads quickly to other Liliums (mainly via aphids). Many recommend to even dispose the soil they grew in. Not having pulled that infested Lilium this season will supply you with many contaminated Lilies next year. I don't think it is a good idea to keep a virused Lily.
Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Aug 17, 2015 6:59 PM CST

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It is a good idea to explain why virus is not desirable in lilies (unlike those virused tulips of the Tulipmania days in the 1600s). Unless a lily resists or tolerates virus (a few are like this) the lily will die an early death, but probably not before the virus is spread to other nearby lilies (or a neighbor's lily on the other side of the fence).

Some of us have "one of a kind" lilies that are more precious to us as they can not be replaced. These lilies are seedlings grown from our own crosses or from seeds from other lily lovers. Other lilies are more expensive and usually obtained from growers/breeders. I am not fond of paying $10 for a new Orienpet lily only to have it show virus symptoms by the second season.That has happened quite a few times to me.

If you are growing the inexpensive Dutch lilies I would still ditch any showing virus symptoms so that it doesn't spread to other lilies. As the disease spreads to other lilies in the area the total to replace can add up.

If anyone thinks they may have a virused lily post photos here so we can all look at it and pass judgement.
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Roosterlorn
Aug 17, 2015 8:18 PM CST
This plant to plant comparison may help shed some light on what a difference in size, vigor and appearance a virus can make. These two lilies were growing in the same garden about 25 feet apart. This virus was detected early--it's first year. Had it gone undetected another year the devastating results would have been even more dramatic--and there's a good chance other lilies nearby would have been infected. Edit Added: The resistance level of a lily with a virus is greatly lowered, making it susceptible, especially to stressful situations such as hot, dry weather, cold winters, wet springs that usually result, then, in premature death.

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Robina with virus:


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Name: Tracey
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magnolialover
Aug 18, 2015 7:10 AM CST

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'Robina' has a low virus threshold here. Bought it on two separate occasions only to have the same outcome, trash can. Can't say any lily gets more than two chances here. Just not worth the trouble, no matter how seemingly beautiful. There must be something in the bulk of the pink OTs background, making them more susceptible.

Very nice visual example, Lorn.
Tracey
Name: Joe
Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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Joebass
Aug 18, 2015 7:55 AM CST
Kiss of Fire, Purple Prince caught viruses and showed symptoms very quickly! Garbage! The best part is I often don't have to give lilies second chances due to this forum and all the other growers telling their experiences too.
Skåne, Sweden (Zone 7b)
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William
Aug 18, 2015 9:50 AM CST
Mutisia said:William, this virus spreads quickly to other Liliums (mainly via aphids). Many recommend to even dispose the soil they grew in. Not having pulled that infested Lilium this season will supply you with many contaminated Lilies next year. I don't think it is a good idea to keep a virused Lily.

I agree!!!! Smiling Personally I always discard anything I believe is virused. I'd also prefer to plant an unrelated plant in the old soil. Just to be on the safe side.

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