Plant ID forum: Slippery Elm (Ulmus rubra)

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Name: Jim D
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jimard8
Aug 15, 2015 5:21 PM CST
Here is one I have been trying to Id for three seasons now , any help is much appreciated
From a distance last years growth
New stem
Thumb of 2015-08-15/jimard8/442111 old trunk
Thumb of 2015-08-15/jimard8/82daa3 yellowing leaf
green leaf , this year longer than a man's hand

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Name: Jim D
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jimard8
Aug 15, 2015 6:19 PM CST
I am thinking it could be a Slippery Elm . something near Confused
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Aug 15, 2015 6:42 PM CST

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It bears a striking resemblance to Ulmus.
Name: Jim D
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jimard8
Aug 15, 2015 7:07 PM CST
hello dave I saw your conversation trying to ID yours previously , I am believing some kind of Red Elm (Ulmus) Look at the bark on young growth , red , and peeling red paper like on green trunk stems , Like your Cedar Elms do in Texas, it's a clue
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dave
Aug 15, 2015 7:49 PM CST

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Yes, I remember that. @KentPfeiffer helped me with that ID if memory serves.
Name: Jim D
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jimard8
Aug 15, 2015 8:13 PM CST
This has never made seeds though and two of them came up from under the garage at the side of the house .
My wildlife efforts , are not to remove or destroy until I know ,

It is one of these , We can rule out the last on the list , at least I am pretty sure ..

Mountain elms": spring flowering; flowers subsessile; leaves usually rough above.
Ulmus bergmanniana - Bergmann's Elm
Ulmus bergmanniana var. bergmanniana
Ulmus bergmanniana var. lasiophylla
Ulmus castaneifolia - Chestnut-leafed Elm
Ulmus changii
Ulmus changii var. changii
Ulmus changii var. kunmingensis
Ulmus chumlia
Ulmus elongata
Ulmus gaussenii - Anhui Elm
Ulmus glabra - Wych Elm, Scots Elm
Ulmus glaucescens - Gansu Elm
Ulmus glaucescens var. glaucescens
Ulmus glaucescens var. lasiocarpa
Ulmus laciniata - Manchurian Elm, Cut-leaf Elm
Ulmus laciniata var. laciniata
Ulmus laciniata var. nikkoensis - Nikko Elm
Ulmus lamellosa - Hebei Elm
Ulmus macrocarpa - Large-fruited Elm
Ulmus macrocarpa var. glabra
Ulmus macrocarpa var. macrocarpa
Ulmus mexicana - Mexican Elm
Ulmus microcarpa
Ulmus prunifolia
Ulmus rubra - Slippery Elm, Red Elm
Ulmus uyematsui - Alishan Elm
Ulmus wallichiana - Himalayan Elm, Kashmir Elm
Ulmus wallichiana subsp. wallichiana
Ulmus wallichiana subsp. xanthoderma
Ulmus wallichiana var. tomentosa

"Field elms": spring flowering; flowers subsessile; leaves usually smooth above.
Ulmus canescens
Ulmus chenmoui - Chenmou Elm
Ulmus davidiana - David Elm, Father David's Elm
Ulmus davidiana var. davidiana
Ulmus davidiana var. japonica - Japanese Elm, Wilson's Elm
Ulmus harbinensis
Ulmus ismaelis
Ulmus lanceifolia
Ulmus minor - Field Elm
Ulmus pseudopropinqua
Ulmus pumila - Siberian Elm
Ulmus szechuanica - Szechuan Elm
Ulmus villosa - Cherry Bark Elm

"White elms": spring flowering; flowers pedunculate
Ulmus alata - Winged Elm, Wahoo
Ulmus americana - American Elm, White Elm
Ulmus laevis - European White Elm, Fluttering Elm, Spreading Elm, (USA) Russian Elm
Ulmus laevis var. celtidea
Ulmus laevis var. laevis
Ulmus laevis var. parvifolia
Ulmus thomasii - Rock Elm, Cork Elm

"Autumn-flowering elms": autumn flowering.
Ulmus crassifolia - Cedar Elm
Ulmus parvifolia - Chinese Elm, Lacebark Elm
Ulmus parvifolia var. coreana - Korean Lacebark Elm
Ulmus parvifolia var. parvifolia
Ulmus parvifolia f. lanceolata
Ulmus serotina - September Elm

"Fossil elms"

Ulmus braunii
Ulmus brownellii
Ulmus californica
Ulmus carpinoides
Ulmus chaneyi
Ulmus cordifrons
Ulmus depranodonta



Ulmus eolaciniata
Ulmus minima
Ulmus minoensis
Ulmus miopumila
Ulmus montanensis
Ulmus moorei
Ulmus newberryi



Ulmus okanagenensis
Ulmus owyheensis
Ulmus pancidentata
Ulmus paucidentata
Ulmus protojaponica
Ulmus pseudolongifolia
Ulmus pseudosuberosa



Ulmus pyramidalis
Ulmus pseudopyramidalis
Ulmus rhamnifolia
Ulmus speciosa
Ulmus stuchlikii
Ulmus subparvifolia
Ulmus tenuiservis
Ulmus wardii

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Name: Jim D
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jimard8
Aug 15, 2015 8:24 PM CST
It is spring blooming though , small less noticeable , The yellowing leaves and bright green larger leaves at the end of the branches seemingly smooth highly ridged leaves , suggests Ulmus Minor ,also
European elm meant to replace others after Dutch elm disease
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
Southeast Nebraska (Zone 5b)
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KentPfeiffer
Aug 15, 2015 9:11 PM CST

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The easiest way to identify elms is by looking at the samaras, but they are likely long gone this time of year. Leaves might tell you what you need to know. It's probably either Ulmus rubra or Ulmus americana. The top sides of the leaves of Ulmus rubra are very rough, while the top sides of the leaves of Ulmus americana are usually relatively smooth. Just judging by the pictures, I'd guess Ulmus americana.
Name: Jim D
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jimard8
Aug 16, 2015 10:41 AM CST
Well I have been trying for three seasons to identify this , one more won't matter . except on my memory maybe Thank You!
I will watch for the samaras Never have seen any so far ,
The leaves a few minutes ago ,, The healthy green leaves look smooth on top , but they feel like a fine grade sandpaper (graphic )
Slightly hairy and smoother feeling on the bottom , the healthy green leaves

Yellowing leaves feel like sandpaper , both above and below ,
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Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
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jimard8
Aug 16, 2015 12:46 PM CST
Well We know it is an Elm , for now that will do ,
Ulmus Rubra , or a Rubra Minor , A few of those around . I had seen a red minor Ulmus years ago .?
In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
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Annuals Hummingbirder Region: Indiana Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Native Plants and Wildflowers Butterflies
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jimard8
Aug 16, 2015 1:05 PM CST
Couple more photo's where it (they) grew beside the Garage
Still feels like putting your hand in a box of Sandpaper

Thumb of 2015-08-16/jimard8/612993



I remember seeing some seeds years ago of Rubras Minor , That is why I am trying , they were from a trade , that means the possibility of no exact ,,

In the Butterfly garden if a plant is not chewed up I feel like a failure
Name: Jim D
East Central Indiana (Zone 5b)
Seed Starter Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Frogs and Toads Garden Procrastinator Cottage Gardener Birds
Annuals Hummingbirder Region: Indiana Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Native Plants and Wildflowers Butterflies
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jimard8
Aug 16, 2015 2:38 PM CST
Ulmus rubra or Slippery Elm ,, Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!

Thank you both , for explaining a few that taught me where to look Thank You!
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