Daylilies forum: best spot for DL's

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Name: Mayo
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Mayo62
Aug 20, 2015 4:07 AM CST
hi all,


with the impending arrival of my new DL's Whistling : I'm rearranging my borders.

If you had to choose where to put your DL's, would you prefer morning sun, midday sun or afternoon sun? Shrug!

All places get about 5 hours of sunlight. Thumbs up
I live in a maritieme climate: winters are rarely very cold and summers are mostly between 20C and 25C Big Grin


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Name: Chuck
Gorham Maine (Zone 5a)
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dogwalker
Aug 20, 2015 4:44 AM CST
First let me say that I am far from being an expert on daylilys. I personally prefer ,morning sun. Afternoon or late in the day sun doesn't do much because by that time most of the day's blooms are on there way out. Depending on where you live mid - day sun can be a real oven for some plants. This is what I've found where I live.
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Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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cybersix
Aug 20, 2015 5:55 AM CST
I can't be of any help, sorry! It seems you live in a wonderful place for DLs!
I only have midday and afternoon sun, so no choice, and now that the sun it's changing his route I have less hours of full sun Sighing!
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Aug 20, 2015 8:06 AM CST
I agree with Chuck. But most of mine are in full sun all day or half of the day. Mine get at least 6 hours of sun daily.
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Aug 20, 2015 8:30 AM CST
The usual rule of thumb (and I don't know how this was determined) is that daylilies need a minimum of six hours of sun a day. The Hague is further north even than me here in Canada, and so the light intensity will be lower where you are. You would want the daylilies to get the most sun they possibly can. Can you determine the timing of mid-day versus afternoon sun? If the afternoon sun starts at 3 p.m., for example, then that would include the evening and you might be better going with mid-day.
Name: Mayo
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Mayo62
Aug 20, 2015 9:41 AM CST
there is a lot of overlap in the times and of course in winter there will be less sunhours because of the lower trajectory of the sun..
In summer my 'morning sun' is more or less from 9.30 a.m. - 2.30 p.m. , midday sun is from 11.30 a.m. - 4.30 p.m. and afternoon sun is from 2 a.m. - 7.30 p.m.

I've had DL's in all borders this summer, and they all did absolutely fabulous! Thumbs up
I have 2 DL's that I planted last year and 22 that I planted this April / May.
6 of the new ones didn't flower (very small spiders, not in 1 particular border), but I had a total of over 500 flowers from the others Lovey dubby .
White Temptation is still blooming and 2 of the new ones are growing new scapes (rebloom) Thumbs up

I know that that's nothing compared to your gardens Hilarious! , but for a newbie like me more than 2 months of blooming DL's is quite an experience Lovey dubby

Apart from them blooming and thriving again next year, I am worrying about, if we have cold nights in winter, with temps below 0, will the morning sun do damage to the (semi-)evergreens? Confused



Mayo
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Name: Kevin Smith
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kssmith
Aug 20, 2015 10:46 AM CST
Five hundred plus blooms sounds like a great start. The vast majority of mine are in full sun most of the day but i have several at the back of my house that get only morning sun one of which did better then i could ever imagine when i moved it from full sun to only morning sun last year..
Sounds like no matter where you plant none will be starving for sunlight. I would only suggest that if you have some that tend to lose their color faster than others that morning sun only might be best for those.
As for the semi-evergreens we have only total die back each year with winter temps at -10 to -20 at times.
Now that you have caught the dayliliy fever there is no cure so might as well make room and plan for more. Thumbs up
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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beckygardener
Aug 20, 2015 10:48 AM CST
I agree Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!
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Pat236
Aug 20, 2015 10:58 AM CST
I am a rank amateur to the daylily world, but my best performers were in full sun for most of the day. I got my best bloomers from those that got the most sun. I have a samll bed that is under the shade of a pine tree for most of the day and half of those bloomed and the other half did not. Those in the bed with full sun bloomed like popcorn in a microwave. I moved a few from that shady bed to see how they perform in the full sun (afternoon until dusk) next spring.
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Name: Mayo
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Mayo62
Aug 20, 2015 11:06 AM CST

too late Kevin... this is already a full-blown contamination Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

35 + 10 (different nurseries) are on their way to me and I'm growing 130 seedlings from LA seeds.. nodding nodding


Mayo
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Aug 20, 2015 11:12 AM CST
Mayo - I hope you have LOTS of land to plant them on! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
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Name: Mayo
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Mayo62
Aug 20, 2015 11:21 AM CST
Becky, for the cultivars on their way to me: yes, for the seedlings... not yet! Whistling

They are still quite small at the moment, so I'm hoping to grow them in (big) pots on the patio until next spring/summer Big Grin
(they are 3-4 seeds from the same crossing, so could share a pot)

In the mean time I'm looking into leasing an allotment Thumbs up
That, or annexing my mother's garden .. Rolling on the floor laughing

Mayo
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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beckygardener
Aug 20, 2015 11:23 AM CST
Good luck! Can you grow them on your roof? I have seen photos of folks doing that over in the UK! Big Grin
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Name: Mayo
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Mayo62
Aug 20, 2015 11:27 AM CST
haha, I háve been thinking about using the roof of my garage! Whistling
The only problem is that I'm afraid of heights... just imagining going up and down a ladder every day makes me queasy... Rolling on the floor laughing


Mayo
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Aug 20, 2015 11:50 AM CST
Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

Not to mention the fact that you could fall and get seriously hurt!!! I was partly joking about the roof .... only partly because I know there are gardeners that actually DO grow on their roofs! Thumbs up
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Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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cybersix
Aug 20, 2015 11:55 AM CST
It seems my garden isn't getting sufficient sun, then. In summer sun starts at 11:30 AM and gets down at 6:30 PM, but the first in the sun will be the first in the shade. the sun goes down behind the house in front of the garden Sighing!
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Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
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CaliFlowers
Aug 20, 2015 3:09 PM CST
I've grown between 4 and 5 seedlings in what is known here as a "#5" nursery can (26 cm wide, 31 cm tall), and feel that I'm able to get a pretty good idea of what's worth keeping and what isn't. The plants will get a lot larger and more robust in a bed, but you'll be able to select on a basic level from a good-sized pot.

A month or two after sprouting, when the seedlings are around 12 cm tall, I'll gang 4 or 5 of them in a "#1" pot, and when they've grown enough roots to hold the rootball fairly intact, I'll plug them into a #2. (21 x 21 cm) They really appreciate the extra root room and the fresh layer of soil they get from incremental potting. When they get to the point where I think they'll bloom the next spring, (12-15 mm diameter at the crowns) I'll plug that rootball into a #5 in August. That way the potting soil is fresh for that first bloom.

(Every time you pot on, gently loosen the top of the rootball and space the crowns a little further apart.)

Seedlings grown like this require prudent but consistent fertilization in order to keep them moving along well. (Feeding should be balanced with the intensity & duration of light they're receiving.)

Summers are rainless here, and I've found that a saucer under the container really evens out growth, preventing intermittent dryness and "stalling".

Ken
East S.F. Bay Area
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Name: Mayo
The Netherlands, Europe (Zone 9a)
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Mayo62
Aug 21, 2015 6:18 AM CST
hi Ken, ( @CaliFlowers )

thank you very much for this great information!! Thank You!
I will have to measure my pots so I'll know which size to order Thumbs up
A #1 pot is a 1 gallon pot, right? How high are the ones you use?

You say that you put the seedlings in a #5 can in August ...Are they a year old by then, or did you sprout them in that same Spring?

Thank you!
Mayo
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Name: Mayo
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Mayo62
Aug 21, 2015 10:32 AM CST
hi Ken, ( @CaliFlowers )

you said
"A month or two after sprouting, when the seedlings are around 12 cm tall" ..
How do you measure that? From the ground to the tip of the longest leaf?
Or from the ground to the point where the leafs are bowing down, or..? Thumbs up

Some of my seedlings that I put in a seedtray on 26th of July are already more that 20cm from ground to tip of the longest leaf...
(They were germinated about 12 days before that in a ziplock baggy with perlite, water and some hydrogen peroxide)
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Should I already put them in a bigger pot??


thank you for your help! Thumbs up Thumbs up

Mayo

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Name: Chuck
Gorham Maine (Zone 5a)
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dogwalker
Aug 21, 2015 5:09 PM CST
Mayo, with all those plants and seeds I am reminded of that old daylily song.

I'm so dizzy, my head is spinning,
With all those plants you sure are winning.
These plants need to go in the ground,
I hope that the time for it can be found.

(well maybe its not that well known)

Congrats and good luck Hurray!
Life is a journey of adventure and discovery, sail bravely into each new day.

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