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Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

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PollyK
Feb 11, 2010 9:48 PM CST

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Lilium candidum from seed
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Feb 12, 2010 7:40 AM CST
I've longed to grow this Lily for many years now. Polly, do you have seed you're trying to start?
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

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PollyK
Feb 12, 2010 12:44 PM CST

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No, I started the thread for Rick and Donna, hoping they will move their posts over here.

Nope, never started lilies from seed.
Name: Donna Mack
Elgin, IL (Zone 5a)
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DonnaMack
Feb 14, 2010 7:14 AM CST
Donna here. With some help from Tracey (Magnolialover) and Lisa (Buggy) I I am in the process of growing lilium candidum from seed. I would be happy to share the process.

My lilium candidum was obtained from the North American Lily Society in 2003, the result of its annual seed sale. It was labeled L. candidum ‘Cascade Strain’ - 96-119 McRae. I put it in my minifridge in the basement, and did not even attempt to germinate it until January of 2009. It was unopened until then. NALS seed is prepared by those who grow the lilies. It is somewhat intensive work and the members do an outstanding job. Ed McRae, who passed away recently, was a giant in the field. Cascade Strain is a more disease resistant type of lilium candidum, which has been said to be a bit fragile and disease prone.

January 19, 2009
Using Garden Supply Company’s accelerated propagation units, I put two seeds in each of two cells. The instructions were to lightly cover, so I inserted the seeds at a 45 degree angle to insure good contact. If you are familiar with lily seeds you will know that there is what appears to be an embryo inside a somewhat transparent shell. In the manner I inserted them in the soil, I could see the shell, but not the embryo – my interpretation of lightly cover.

January 31, 2009
The first of the four seeds germinated (12 days). The rest followed over the next few days. So despite the fact that the seeds were six years old, I achieved 100% germination. They were quite tiny, so despite the fact that I had placed two in each cell I was able to allow them to develop without separating them.

September 6, 2009
The seedlings looked large enough to handle, so I separated them and I potted each in potting mix, the type that provides some fertilization, and returned them to basement. The pots I used are the kind of green plastic pots that garden centers use to hold plants for sale. I put one in each pot. I put them on a tray, and started watering them from the bottom. Whenever they started to look a little tired (edges of leaves turning brown) I give them so extremely diluted 10-10-10 fertilizer, probably 1 part fertilizer to ten parts water.

The picture shows how they look on February 10.

Next step:
I was considering popping them into my mini refrigerator in the basement, but got this guidance from Tracey (Magnolialover) who is an expert in the lily area.

My questions:
Do my various lily experts think that this is a good time to chill them? I have a minifridge in my basement.

Do I remove the foliage, and how should I wrap or prepare them to be chilled? I want to install them on the normal schedule for candidums, which is September.

Tracey’s response was that she would recommend keeping them going or, alternately I could experiment by chilling some and planting out others. I would have done the latter if I had had more seeds. If I chose to plant them out, I would need to keep in mind Tracey’s advice that I plant them shallowly, and her reminder that they do well in alkaline soil.

Then Buggy (Lisa) added this:
Madonna Lily seedlings often skip the dormant season and stay green until they are 2 years old (some of our native deciduous trees do this too) so as long as they are staying green keep them growing!

So I am going to keep them going and plant them in late summer. I will keep everyone up to date on their progress.



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Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Feb 14, 2010 8:25 AM CST
Wow, those are wonderful seedlings! Thanks for being more specific. Any idea of the summer/winter temperature they are growing at?
Name: Tracey
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
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magnolialover
Feb 14, 2010 8:43 AM CST

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Those look beautiful. Amazing! Whatever you are doing, you are doing it right. Those seedlings look very happy. And you did a great job of digging up all of your data. This will be very useful to someone trying these seeds down the road. Thanks for the effort you put into this thread Donna!

Tracey
Name: Donna Mack
Elgin, IL (Zone 5a)
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DonnaMack
Feb 14, 2010 9:07 AM CST
Hi Lefty!

Yes, temperature is an important item I left out. I would guess that my basement is somewhat cooler than the rest of the house. Perhaps 65 degrees. And they have been at that temperature from sowing to present.

I should also add that they get light from 40 watt fluorescent bulbs for approximately 14 hours a day. The lights are on timers.

Donna
Name: Donna Mack
Elgin, IL (Zone 5a)
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DonnaMack
Jul 8, 2010 6:36 PM CST
The time is drawing near to put my seedlings in the ground. They have continued in their regimen of 14 hour light, watering from the bottom, and mild fertilization. The fascinating part is that when I look at them from above I can see what appear to be bulbs at the bottom of the green stems. As you can imagine, I am thrilled.

In anticipation of this I think I will prepare the soil now and use something to disinfect it - perhaps sulphur? - so the I can pop them into the ground at the beginning of August. There are some regale albums at the original site (I was sold them by mistake) and I think I will lift them and move them elsewhere.

Tracey, does this sound goo?

Donna
Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Jul 8, 2010 8:12 PM CST
Sometimes I use sulfur to acidify my soil, especially if I don't want to use copious amounts of sphagnum peat. Lilium candidum doesn't like acid soil at all, so I wouldn't use it as a soil additive. I can't think of any reason to "disinfect" the soil anyway.
Name: Donna Mack
Elgin, IL (Zone 5a)
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DonnaMack
Jul 9, 2010 7:32 AM CST
Oh, DUH!!! Thank you Rick. How could I forget that one of lilium candidum's virtues is it tolerance for alkaline soil?

Cool, I'll just move the regale album and tuck my babies in during August. Thanks!
Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages The WITWIT Badge Garden Photography Region: Minnesota Plant Identifier
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Leftwood
Jul 9, 2010 6:47 PM CST
Actually, I wouldn't call it a tolerance to alkalinity. It's more of a preference.
Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
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gwhizz
Jul 29, 2010 4:43 AM CST
candidum grows well here,i position varied pots in varied areas.the most interesting one,this year ,was the pot facing north.it grew and grew,'outwards.then all of a sudden,everything died.no more candidum.they are described as a very tempremental lily and should not be disturbed.,im very interested,reading its seed raising on this thread,.,neal,if i could,i'd send you a bulb,-but thats not going to happen-anthony Thumbs up
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Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
idont havemuch-but ihave everything
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gwhizz
Jul 30, 2010 5:10 AM CST
i looked at candidum in the garden today,[remember,we are still in winter], a candidum has shot and spread about 4 inches in the last 5 days.very wierd growing year.,,i also spotted another 'muscadet' stalk about 2'' out of the ground.,..'i might be able to put a lilium bloom in the spring flower show?-anthony
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Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

Charter ATP Member Region: United States of America I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Lilies
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PollyK
Jul 30, 2010 12:11 PM CST

Gone But Not Forgotten

Wow, in winter? What's you temps over there now?

Always such fun to talk to someone from another country.
Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
idont havemuch-but ihave everything
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gwhizz
Jul 30, 2010 5:54 PM CST
about 2-12 degrees.weve had about 5 frosts in total.just enough to kill 1 orchid
lily freaks are not geeks!
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

Charter ATP Member Region: United States of America I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Lilies
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PollyK
Jul 30, 2010 6:01 PM CST

Gone But Not Forgotten

For some of us that get down to -24C and lower, that would be a wonderful winter.
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Jul 31, 2010 3:46 PM CST
Oh, Polly, I was having the same thought. Anthony, my first impulse was to call you a turd, but only out of pure envy, LOL. I don't really think you're a turd, but I'm still highly envious!
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

Charter ATP Member Region: United States of America I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Lilies
Seller of Garden Stuff
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PollyK
Jul 31, 2010 3:54 PM CST

Gone But Not Forgotten

Wonder what that means in Australian.
Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
idont havemuch-but ihave everything
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Australia Lilies Seed Starter Bulbs
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gwhizz
Jul 31, 2010 5:54 PM CST
i think the meaning of 'turd' has a standard worldwide meaning.,,.one true statement is'you cant polish a turd'
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Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages The WITWIT Badge Garden Photography Region: Minnesota Plant Identifier
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Leftwood
Jul 31, 2010 9:20 PM CST
And a smart pill doesn't go down smoothly either. Big Grin

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