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Name: Tim Stoehr
Canby, Oregon (Zone 8b)
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tcstoehr
Sep 9, 2015 1:36 PM CST
I've been using the local soil so far which is highly regarded by the local vegetable farmers as a well-draining sandy loam. Very little clay. I have also had soil tests done revealing healthy mineral levels with the exception of Calcium and Sulfur. Healthy for growing vegetables that is. So I add Gypsum and it's all good... in the vegetable garden... during the warm, dry season.

Seems like Semps have different requirements and furthermore are perennial, having to deal with all four seasons. So far I think this soil has been more than adequate and I haven't had any issues even when I run the sprinklers or we have rain. But the Semp garden wasn't started until early July and things have been pretty dry and toasty this year. Constant cold and moisture are to be expected in a Pacific Northwest winter and spring.

Is good-draining soil enough? This soil is raised up about a foot with porous rock walls and will have no pooling during rain with the possible very temporary situation during a heavy downpour. But the soil will retain substantial moisture during cool rainy periods. The gravel in this picture is locally available and reasonably priced. Should I mulch with it? Should I tuck it under the Semps? Maybe just work it into the soil surface? Or forgo it altogether?

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For the curious, that's S. Nico in the picture at the bottom left, with Amanda and the Rose Queen trying to squeeze into the picture. Ladies... please!
All courtesy of the good folks at Perennial Obsessions.
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Sep 9, 2015 6:12 PM CST

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Beautiful semps you have there Tim, of course why wouldn't they be coming from PO. They have amazing plants.

I'm not sure about your Canby, OR soil, here in Dallas, OR we have a lot of clay. The fact that your beds are raise is a real bonus in this part of the country. I would definitely mulch with the gravel, under all the leaves and the bare ground. For us Oregonians we need to keep the leaves from laying on the wet winter soil.

If you pour a pitcher of water in one spot, how long does it take it to disapear? Try that with the soil already wet, if the pitcher of water disappears right away you should be good to go.

Looking forward to meeting you in person this coming Saturday in Rickreal. Hurray!
Name: Tim Stoehr
Canby, Oregon (Zone 8b)
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Region: Oregon Dragonflies Keeper of Poultry Cat Lover Composter Apples
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tcstoehr
Sep 10, 2015 11:16 AM CST
We have no clay in the soil. In springtime I see the local farmers out with their tilling machines the very next day after considerable rain.

Mulch with the gravel, eh? I may do that but I'll have to mull it over for a while first. I do realize that it will help prevent mud splashing around during heavy rains.

What about organic matter in the soil? I had assumed (there I go again) that alpine plants growing amongst the rocks and such would not respond well to organic soil amendments and compost and such.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Sep 10, 2015 5:42 PM CST

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Correct about the organic matter, to much would be hard on them. The purpose of the mulch is to form a barrier between the leaves and the soil, especially here in the PNW with our very long rainy season.
Name: Tim Stoehr
Canby, Oregon (Zone 8b)
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Region: Oregon Dragonflies Keeper of Poultry Cat Lover Composter Apples
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tcstoehr
Sep 11, 2015 10:35 AM CST
Hmm, every semp I've ever seen for sale in a pot seems to have an organic soil mixture with some perlite tossed in. I guess that's a cheap and easy propagation medium.

Here's my first attempt at a gravel surface covering. I gotta say water zips right through it. I'm hoping it will minimize dirt splashing in a hard rain.
It does have a tidy appearance. It will only look better and better as the semps mature.

I'm guessing the semp chicks have a way of getting new roots down through gravel like this.

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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Sep 11, 2015 11:54 AM CST

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Way to go Tim, that looks amazing. They will love you for their new gravel blanket come rainy season. And yes the chicks will send roots down through the gravel.
See you tomorrow. Hurray!
Name: Tim Stoehr
Canby, Oregon (Zone 8b)
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tcstoehr
Sep 11, 2015 3:34 PM CST
valleylynn said:Way to go Tim, that looks amazing. They will love you for their new gravel blanket come rainy season. And yes the chicks will send roots down through the gravel.
See you tomorrow. Hurray!


Yes, see you in ... what?... Pickreall? Is that a real place? Confused
Good thing I have a GPS. Big Grin
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Sep 11, 2015 4:42 PM CST

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I want to make sure you don't miss it. Here is a link. Can't wait to meet you in person.
http://www.salemhardyplantsociety.org/FALL_PLANT_SALE.php Big Grin
Name: Tim Stoehr
Canby, Oregon (Zone 8b)
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Region: Oregon Dragonflies Keeper of Poultry Cat Lover Composter Apples
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tcstoehr
Sep 12, 2015 7:41 PM CST
I did attend the plant sale and I'm glad I did. I got to meet and chat with several of the ATP semp lovers. Great meeting y'all!
I also got hosted for the afternoon at Lynn's house. I got to pet the dogs, relax in the shade, drink the ice tea, read the semp books and run off with a boat load of semps that I could until today only see in pictures. Hurray!
Thank You!

And of course all the semps brought home were immediately given new homes.

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Oh... one more thing Lynn. I have a bag marked 'Dazzler', is that 'Purple Dazzler'? I can't find anything named just 'Dazzler'.

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Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
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pardalinum
Sep 12, 2015 8:45 PM CST
I was pretty sure that you would not be leaving Lynn's empty handed. She has such a wonderful, well cared for collection.

It was nice meeting you today. Smiling
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Sep 12, 2015 9:58 PM CST

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Tim, it is 'Purple Dazzler'.
Wow, you don't waste time. They are all planted and ready to take off growing. And rain is suppose to arrive Wed. What a great way for them to get going. Now the wait for the color show next spring. Hurray!

Connie it was so good to see you again. We really do have to meet up more often. And what an amazing great time gathering with Bev, Jim, Kevin, Cynda, Dave, Tim, Jo Ann, Connie, and me and Cliff. We even got a group photo, taken in the Perennial Obsessions sale booth.
What a great group.
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Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
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pardalinum
Sep 12, 2015 10:04 PM CST
The photo turned out great! But why does it look like I have a feather growing out of the back of my head? Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Sep 12, 2015 10:16 PM CST
Yeah, Connie! ?? Shrug! Look at the photo again and note that Cynda and I noticed it too as the camera was clicked... Hilarious!
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Sep 12, 2015 10:28 PM CST

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Your an Indian princess? Green Grin!
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Sep 12, 2015 10:29 PM CST

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And here is Dave, he showed up later so was not in the first photo. Cheers Dave. Hurray!
Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
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pardalinum
Sep 12, 2015 10:44 PM CST
Yeah I did notice a couple of you sneaking a peak at me. On second glance I'm not the only with strange stuff on the back of my head. Just goes to show all the fun that can be had taking photos at a plant sale. Whistling
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Sep 12, 2015 11:10 PM CST
You're right, Connie. Cynda's headpiece was crazier than yours... Whistling
Photo of Dave?
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Sep 12, 2015 11:24 PM CST

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Opps, I forgot to add Dave's photo.
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Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Sep 13, 2015 12:15 AM CST
So glad you all met up!! Hooray - can't wait for the next clinic! Hurray! Hurray!
Plants bring me peace and calm, more of what we all need Smiling
Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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springcolor
Sep 13, 2015 9:15 AM CST
Hurray! Hurray! Looks like a fun event. Nice to see all your happy faces. I agree Greg, looking forward to the clinic to see all you guys and gals.
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