Linneaj said:I am looking at yodad50's sold listings. He doesn't take his own pics. He has one of Calif_Sue's pics for Monty Byers, Dance for Joy. http://www.ebay.com/itm/TALL-B...

Not my picture @Linneaj, the caption says "Photo courtesy of Williamson Farm Flowers" and it's also embedded on the image.

cbunny41 said:Ok, after looking at other pictures on Williamson's site, I agree both ATP pictures are the same iris. Who gets to tell these two growers they are distributing an iris with the wrong name? I would bet that one got the plant from the other.

I'm sure you are correct , about them "trading iris"........there are several *mistakes* (at least in MHO !) that are common to both sites. And, as to "telling " them.......I've tried that with one of them, , but, maybe I'm not "diplomatic" enough . Or, perhaps my e-mails didn't 'go through", as I never had a reply .
Of course, when you are 'convinced' that you are correct (and we all "lean" this way !) , you tend to stress only the points that tend to prove your case, and overlook the points that don't !
I have about 1200 different"named" cultivars , and there is "room for doubt" involved in all of them ! Mistakes happen......errors in marking, plants growing together, different "eyes" reading the AIS descriptions of the iris, or seeing the photos. Even those iris I have acquired directly from the hybridizer can have 'mistakes' happen along the way...if not in THEIR garden,.....certainly in MINE ! The best we all can do, is be vigilant in our observations of the plants, comparing them to not only the pictures available, but the WRITTEN descriptions, as well ( and , since ALL the databases can have errors this is sometimes sort of a challenge !), be 'diplomatic" in our queries about ones we are "suspicious of', and open minded when someone else questions OUR iris. Bottom line, we ALL make mistakes, and , if discovered, we ALL need to be a part of the 'correction process"......every one of the data bases , and every vendors websites have them.........and they are all 'vetted', and monitored, and that process has to continue, if we ever want to have "the most accurate information". A big job, that will never be done ! And, remember, there is no 'shame" in making an error....if you have "reasons" to back up 'your" claim....talk them out, have a discussion, either prove, or disprove , the ID, make corrections, if needed, and get back to the "One name, One iris" concept.

Very well stated, Arlyn. At my age I make more mistakes than some others and sometimes the bees have their own ideas of what irises should grow in my garden. It never hurts to open a dialog about an irises origin with me and I like to have my garden 'watched' by more than my old eyes. I love my irises and if I am putting the wrong name on one I would welcome any and all comments about it. Also, I cannot put a name to a NoID just because it looks 'close enough' to a photo. That seems disrespectful to the iris, the hybridizer and anyone in the future that would trust me to send the rightly named plant.

Thanks for the link to Williamson Farm and their pic of "Forte," Linnea. That's the iris I thought I was buying. Loved the
deeper purple beard on the rosy lavender falls. And that's what I got - but mis-named. Wonder what I should call it now? It isn't a vigorous plant, but it
did flower in the spring.(I bought it last year).
I, for one, appreciate it when mistakes are pointed out. Keeping it accurate.

It looks like the iris farm is a nice one, just an oops.

But you might notify them that it is an 'oops'. I am sure they would not want an unknown plant bought from them in circulation.