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Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Sep 25, 2015 8:49 PM CST
July 11: Cuttings given to me with rust disease. Leaves cut off, planted, and treated.
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Aug. 24: Coming along okay.

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Sep. 25: Up-potted and posing proudly!

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Wait for it.........

Name: Lucky
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luckyzl230
Sep 25, 2015 8:52 PM CST
Very nice job. Really looks like a whole new plant now Smiling
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Name: Gigi
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GigiPlumeria
Sep 25, 2015 9:01 PM CST
I tip my hat to you. Hurray! any day now, maybe tomorrow. Looks like you may have a Pink?
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Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Sep 25, 2015 9:42 PM CST
@luckyzl230
Thank you! Hmm...they really do look like whole new plants as you say. Big Grin These are my first cuttings to plant. I had asked for advice in this forum and it looks like I got the best...from Hetty and Gigi and others.

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When we visited my hubby's aunt last July, I was lingering around her orchid collection taking pictures so I didn't see from what tree(s) she took the cuttings. She had come around the corner of her house and in that vicinity all I saw were white plumerias, so I assumed they were white. Guess not...she did say "dwarf," and they do have small leaves. I hope when the blooms open someone will i.d. the plant.
Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Sep 26, 2015 3:03 AM CST

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They look great! You could have Dwarf Pink Singapore, I'd need a better picture and the size of the leaves to be sure.
Name: tarev
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tarev
Sep 26, 2015 4:47 PM CST
Love it Lovey dubby Lovey dubby Looking forward to see the blooms!
Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Sep 29, 2015 11:11 AM CST
The flower buds on the newly rooted cutting still have not opened.

In the meantime, I'd like advice on uprooting my 5' celadine. The tree was placed in a milk crate with some soil and placed on the ground until I decided where to plant it permanently. Well, that was about 15 years ago, and since then of course, the roots grew through the crate and into the ground. Zoysia grass grew over it too!

The crate is about 16"x 16" x 16". Do you think it would be okay to lift the crate up, tearing the roots out of the ground, then pulling the root ball out of the crate? I want to transplant the tree to another area but don't want to cut up this tree if I can help it!
Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Sep 29, 2015 11:20 AM CST

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First of all, I would do the transplant in the dormant season.
Then I would not TEAR the roots out (breaking a number of them) but try to dig them out. You might have to cut the crate off it, depending on what sort of root system you're dealing with.

You should not have to cut up the tree.

A picture would help.... Smiling
Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Sep 29, 2015 11:25 AM CST
Okay...this pic was taken last March.
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Name: Ken Ramsey
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drdawg
Sep 29, 2015 11:30 AM CST
Kadie, since you are in a tropical area, there is no rush to move that plumeria, and thus, I would wait for dormancy. I have never left my plumeria in the ground for longer than 7 months, so when I had to move them inside, there was not an extremely large amount of long roots. I just dug down and as wide as was reasonable, cutting through some roots for sure, and thus could easily lift the plumeria out. Since those roots would have no water for five months, and would be complete desiccated, losing some roots was no big thing. You are in a much better situation than I, since you leave your plants out year 'round. Those roots that are lost should not impact the growth/health of that Celadine. Celadine are very tough plants. Your dormancy period is probably much less severe and much shorter than what I deal with.
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Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Sep 29, 2015 11:38 AM CST
I don't know when plumerias go dormant here. Our temperature does not fall below 70F.
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drdawg
Sep 29, 2015 11:44 AM CST
I don't know either, Kadie. I am in Mississippi, a temperate zone. Our conditions are far different than yours and Hetty's.
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Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Sep 29, 2015 11:52 AM CST
The picture was taken in March, a cooler weather than now; notice the tree is nearly leafless. There are a lot of leaves on her right now and had bloomed for a good long while during the summer. So I guess it goes a little dormant during our cooler weather December through March?
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drdawg
Sep 29, 2015 11:57 AM CST
Cooler weather, drier weather, and shorter daylight hours all probably contribute to dormancy.
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Name: tarev
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tarev
Sep 29, 2015 12:05 PM CST
Hi KD, I do not know how to dig up your Celadine..it looks nice though! But I do agree with you, that your plumies do not go dormant, they don't go dormant either in the Phil due to our mostly warm temps especially in the lowlands.

Reading Ken's suggestion how to dig it up..it does make sense, just dig as far and wide you can. You have better growing conditions there.

I do have a question though for you temperature wise..does your area get affected by the Siberian airflow somehow? In the Phil, although we do not really go too cold like what we have here in Cali, there is still the Siberian air flow that goes through around end Nov to early Feb. When this airflow comes along sometimes the lowlands feels the cool mornings of 65F (18.5C) So in the higher elevations to the north, they do get colder to 10C . Maybe if you time your uproot around Nov. to Feb, it will be less stressful for your tree.
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Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Sep 29, 2015 12:07 PM CST
Got it, Ken. Thank You! Our daylight hours during winter is only about 1 hour shorter than the rest of the year; probably because we're only 13 degrees latitude above the equator.
Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Sep 29, 2015 12:10 PM CST
@tarev I agree I need to look up Siberian air flow...had not heard of this before. Thank You!
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tarev
Sep 29, 2015 12:27 PM CST
Try to look for the term Siberian High.
Name: KadieD
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Rainbow
Sep 29, 2015 12:36 PM CST
Found some info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_High

Nope...it does not reach us here in the Marianas.
Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Sep 29, 2015 12:58 PM CST

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When you have the least amount of leaves - that is when I would consider your plant to be dormant.
Looking at it, you could probably dig it up with crate and all and plant it again with the crate; I would be careful not to rip off too much of the root system. If you can cut the crate off that would be preferable of course.

Keep us posted!

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