Plant Database forum: Tropaeolum tricolor (tricolorum)

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Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
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Mutisia
Oct 2, 2015 7:01 PM CST
The pictures posted by Paul2032 do not correspond to this Chilean endemic species.

Pot grown Tropaeolum tricolorum (please notice the leaves):
Thumb of 2015-10-03/Mutisia/a5a4fd

Wild growing Tropaeolum tricolorum:











Name: Zuzu
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Oct 2, 2015 7:51 PM CST

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Hi, Ursula. Paul might never see your thread here. Go to one of his questionable photos, enlarge it, and scroll down to "Post a comment about this photo." When you do that, your comment will create a thread in the Plant Photos Forum and the system will automatically notify Paul that his photo is the subject of a thread.

I'm not sure his photos are of any Tropaeolum at all. The plant looks more like a Cuphea.
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
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Mutisia
Oct 2, 2015 8:07 PM CST
Thanks, Zuzu! This is my first 'objection' and I did not know how to proceed. Will do as yo suggest!

By the way, can I create pages for the following Chilean endemic Tropaeolum species?:

T. azureum
T. brachyceras
T. ciliatum
T. lepidum
T. speciosum (I suppose this one already exists, as it is very known)
T. polyphyllum

these are the names that come to my mind at this moment, but there are more.

Thank you in advance!
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
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Mutisia
Oct 2, 2015 8:19 PM CST
Zuzu, I also have some pictures of spontaneous hybrids from growing my Trops close to another and some from hand pollinated seeds a DG member from Japan sent me eons ago. How can I classify those?
Name: Zuzu
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Oct 2, 2015 8:21 PM CST

Plants Admin

Thank you for the kind offer, Ursula. We already have entries for all of those, except T. lepidum, which is now classified as a synonym of T. azureum.

http://garden.org/plants/browse/plants/genus/Tropaeolum/

It would be great, though, if you could add plant data to some of these entries. Just go to the entry, click on "Edit data details," and fill in the data fields and boxes with any information you may have. Plant comments are another highly appreciated addition to the database entries. If you have personal experience with these plants, or if you have useful information about them, please go to the entry, scroll down to "Post a comment," and tell us what you know or what you have heard from other sources.
Name: Zuzu
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Oct 2, 2015 8:25 PM CST

Plants Admin

Sorry. We were posting at the same time.

We don't create entries for hybrids unless they have a cultivar name, but you can add your photos to the generic Tropaeolum entry.

Nasturtium (Tropaeolum)

It would be helpful if you could list the crosses (if you know them) in the photo captions.
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
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Mutisia
Oct 2, 2015 9:02 PM CST
Zuzu, you must be right about T. lepidum. I checked my reference book for northern Chile Flora, and T. lepidum is not listed. I also learned from this search that T. azureum DOES grow in northern Chile - I thought it only grew in central Chile *Blush*

Many, many years ago (before I had a digital camera), I was given 'T. lepidum' seeds by a friend/geologist who brought them from northern Chile. Unfortunately, the tubers did not live long enough for the move to my new place (5 1/2 years ago), so I don't think I have pictures of this specific T. If my memory does not fail, the flowers had a smilar shape to T. tricolor, but the flower was lavender (beautiful!). By no means they resembled the shape of T. azureum, which seems to be dominant on hybrids, at least for the ones I have now.

Experience? The last experience I acquired is that hungry rodents do eat our Trops when hungrey (we have a 7 years in the row draught) and even dig for the tubers Grumbling , especially if planted in pots.

I love Tropaeolums!

Name: Zuzu
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Oct 2, 2015 9:09 PM CST

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Wow! I thought our 3-year drought was a problem. Seven years of drought would kill everything in my garden.

The fact that the blooms of T. lepidum didn't resemble those of T. azureum really doesn't mean much in taxonomy. The changes in the classification of species usually are based on DNA tests. External differences are largely irrelevant.
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
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Mutisia
Oct 2, 2015 9:45 PM CST
Zuzu, I now live in the middle of the woods of a gorgeous area named after the Lagoon in the center of the surrounding mountains and hills (Laguna de Aculeo), but the Lagoon is now just a good memory ..... except for a small muddy puddle, it is totally dry. I have lost many plants and seedlings since I live here, but then every Spring (now) I think: this was the last year of draught! Yes, water is a serious problem for us in summer, for we rely on a small puddle in what used to be a spring to supply 2 houses (1 with a plants freak and the other with a canine hotel), plus the cows and horses that are let loose to roam here - no commercial water supply available! Most part of Spring, all Summer and most of Fall are rainless. I had to add the word 'frustration' to my lexico! I sincerely hope that this years 'El Nino' brings us some extra water.

Will have to study a bit about taxonomy. Thanks!

A sample of my Trop hybrids:









Thumb of 2015-10-03/Mutisia/1a2633

Thumb of 2015-10-03/Mutisia/650ac1









Name: Zuzu
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Oct 2, 2015 10:49 PM CST

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Oh, how gorgeous!

We also have high hopes for El Nino this year.
Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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Oct 2, 2015 11:18 PM CST
It is Bat-Face Cuphea (Cuphea llavea).

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Name: Zuzu
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Oct 2, 2015 11:51 PM CST

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Thank you, Leslie. I thought it looked like that.
Name: ursula
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Mutisia
Oct 10, 2015 8:54 PM CST
@zuzu, I am unable to proceed as you told me to post my Chilean hybrid perennial Tropaeolum pictures.

I don't feel very comfortable with posting them with the other Tropaeolums (major and minor), since these are so very different: they form a tuber, are perennial, flowers are much smaller and leaves are completely different.

Please help!

Name: Zuzu
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Oct 10, 2015 9:26 PM CST

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Ursula, you should have no problem adding them to the Tropaeolum generic entry. It's for all plants of the genus. The page may currently be taken up mostly by photos of T. majus or T. minus, but that's because they're the ones available to most of us. As long as your photos are of plants of the Tropaeolum genus, they belong on that page. I can move the other photos on that page to more appropriate entries if necessary. I think they all look like T. majus. Do you agree or do you see some that aren't?

Nasturtium (Tropaeolum)
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
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Mutisia
Oct 10, 2015 10:36 PM CST
Zuzu, it seems I have two left hands Sighing!

1. I click on the picture posted earlier in this thread.
2. I click on the 'Import to Plant Data Base'
3a. I write Nasturtium (Tropaeolum) on the bar, or
3b. I copy/paste the Nasturtium (Tropaeolum) of your post, and
4. The system demands I choose one of the alternative of Trops listed, none being generic

Please.... HELP!
Name: Zuzu
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Oct 10, 2015 10:51 PM CST

Plants Admin

Try typing the plant ID number instead of the name. In this case, the plant ID number is 79334. You can always find the plant ID number if you open an entry and scroll down to where it says "Plant ID" on the left-hand side. You can also see the number in the URL address at the top of your page.

Nasturtium (Tropaeolum)

I did the first one for you.
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
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Mutisia
Oct 10, 2015 10:59 PM CST
Thank you, Zuzu.

One more question: is it possible to add some short info to the picture (such as tuberous, perennial Chilean endemic, etc)?
Name: Zuzu
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Oct 10, 2015 11:07 PM CST

Plants Admin

Yes. After your proposal to import the photo has been approved, you can go to the entry, click on the photo to enlarge it, scroll down to "Edit this image's caption, details, etc.," and add whatever you want to the photo caption.
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
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Mutisia
Oct 10, 2015 11:09 PM CST
Thank you, Zuzu.

The number instead of the name is working!
Name: Zuzu
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Oct 10, 2015 11:11 PM CST

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I moved everyone else's photos to the T. majus entry except for two that I couldn't identify because their leaves aren't showing.

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