Tropicals forum: Epiphyllum anguliger

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Name: Anne
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Xeramtheum
Oct 16, 2015 2:39 PM CST
Got one in trade .. it's my first Epiphyllum and I don't know anything about it ... so can anyone tell me what kind of substrate it prefers and also will it do ok in a heated greenhouse in winter that doesn't get below 40 degrees or do I need to keep it indoors?

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Name: Carol
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ctcarol
Oct 16, 2015 3:53 PM CST
I use a cactus mix for mine. Some use an orchid mix...anything that is fast draining will work. As long as it doesn't freeze it should be good in your greenhouse. Mine hang from the trees all year, but I'm zone 10A.
Name: Anne
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Xeramtheum
Oct 16, 2015 4:37 PM CST
Thanks Carol .. I have some orchid mix .. I'll repot it with that in a hanging basket.
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Oct 16, 2015 7:25 PM CST
I grow Ric Rac Orchid Cactus (Selenicereus anthonyanus) in a mix of potting soil with lots of Orchid Bark mixed in. I think it will work for Ric-Rac Cactus (Epiphyllum anguliger) as well. They both look so much alike but flowers are different and Epiphyllum doesn't have spines like the Selenicereus.
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Name: Cheryl
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ShadyGreenThumb
Oct 16, 2015 7:30 PM CST
My Ric-Rac cactus did well in a heated greenhouse last winter. In fact, it seemed to grow some. You have me thinking I need to repot it in orchid mix. I have it in a mix of 50/50 soil and perlite.
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Xeramtheum
Oct 16, 2015 9:05 PM CST
Cheryl that's what mine is in at the moment as well but I'm definitely going to repot it in the orchid mix before it goes into the greenhouse.

Lin I didn't know there were 2 separate genus with the same name .. I'm going to have to take a closer look at mine to see if it has spines!
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Name: Cheryl
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ShadyGreenThumb
Oct 16, 2015 10:52 PM CST
@Xeramtheum My plant is thriving so I hesitate to change the soil. I might wait til spring to give it a boost but really, it seems to be doing well. I have moved it from place to place and it seems to do well in bight shade/morning sun. I read this article that has me believing that the soil we have mixed is well draining and okay for Rik Rac Cactus.

http://www.gardeningknowhow.com/ornamental/cacti-succulents/...
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plantladylin
Oct 17, 2015 8:29 AM CST
Xeramtheum said: Lin I didn't know there were 2 separate genus with the same name .. I'm going to have to take a closer look at mine to see if it has spines!

Yep, that's the trouble with "common names" ... many plants of different genera have the same common names ... some from entirely different families of plants!

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plantladylin
Oct 17, 2015 8:32 AM CST
ShadyGreenThumb said:@Xeramtheum My plant is thriving so I hesitate to change the soil.

Thumbs up Cheryl, I say if it ain't broke, don't fix it! If your plant is happy and healthy, I sure wouldn't change a thing. The soil/orchid bark mix works for me with the growing conditions in my area and my watering habits, etc. but may not be the best choice for others.

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Name: Anne
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Xeramtheum
Oct 17, 2015 9:14 AM CST
Well it appears that I have Selenicereus anthonyanus and not the Epiphyllum anguliger. Thanks Lyn for pointing out the differences! Actually I'm thrilled! I love red flowers! Does this change anything as far as taking good care of it?

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ShadyGreenThumb
Oct 17, 2015 10:16 AM CST
Wait. What? No spines on the epiphyllium? I need to take a closer look. I picked up on the soil part and ignored the rest!
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ShadyGreenThumb
Oct 17, 2015 1:05 PM CST
Selenicereus anthonyanus, right?
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plantladylin
Oct 17, 2015 1:41 PM CST
Don't listen to me, LOL. I always heard that Epiphyllum didn't have spines but perhaps some varieties do?

Well, I googled and this site says that Epiphyllum for the most part are spineless except as young seedlings: http://cactiguide.com/cactus/?genus=Epiphyllum

The same site states that some Selenicereus are spineless while others have tiny hairlike spines: http://cactiguide.com/cactus/?genus=Selenicereus

My Selenicereus anthonyanus has sporadic tiny spines along the stems but those flower tube thingies are very spiny!
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Xeramtheum
Oct 17, 2015 3:27 PM CST
I was able to barely translate a web page that gave the differences between the two .. the main way to tell the difference is by the flowers .. the Selenicereus anthonyanus are red and the Epiphyllum anguliger are white.

Here is the page .. http://www.infojardin.com/foro/showthread.php?t=87403
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ShadyGreenThumb
Oct 17, 2015 5:50 PM CST
Ok. Someone please make my plant bloom so I'll know for sure! Thumbs up
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ctcarol
Oct 17, 2015 6:14 PM CST
How old is your plant? Most need to be crowded/ rootbound to bloom. Most are seasonal bloomers in any event. If this was a rooted cutting, it may take a couple of years to bloom...depends on genes and weather. Most of the ones with large, showy flowers are hybrids, so if you don't know the genetics of the plant, you just wait for that spectacular show. Growing them is very much like growing orchids...except they aren't as disease prone as orchids. Basics are well draining mix, filtered or morning sun, balanced fertilizer during growth period, and no freezing temps. In My zone we stop feeding in Oct., then start with bloom formula in spring.
Cant' wait for updates/ pictures.
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Xeramtheum
Oct 17, 2015 8:50 PM CST
Thanks Carol .. I think tomorrow I'll repot with an orchid mix .. Like Lin I'm a "if it aint broke don't fix" person ... but ... MJ wrote about a year ago that Anthuriums liked orchid mix and I just recently got around to repotting all of mine from ProMix to the orchid mix ... I was astonished at effect the different substrate had .. for years they always looked pretty and green but stayed rather small, not growing very much at all .. 2 months after I repotted them into the orchid mix they all had doubled in size.

Could this be a bud?

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Name: Carol
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ctcarol
Oct 18, 2015 1:23 PM CST
Looks like it's growing air roots to me.
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Orchidman55
Oct 20, 2015 2:14 PM CST
ctcarol: mine also have air roots. Mine also are covered in brown small indentations that I would like to determine the cause of. It makes for ugly limbs! bob
Name: Carol
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ctcarol
Oct 20, 2015 6:50 PM CST
Wish I could help you, Bob, but I don't know what causes those things to occur, aside from scale damage. Some just seem to be prone to it more than others. I have the same problems. German Empress is the worst!

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