Amaryllis and Hippeastrum forum: Should I separate and propagate it for possible intro in future?

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Name: Dnd
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DogsNDaylilies
Oct 27, 2015 8:18 AM CST
I didn't want to derail the Blooms and Chat #2 thread, so I thought I would start this one here.


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@bsharf - Barbara, you had mentioned that you have never seen this type of amaryllis before and I consider you an amaryllis expert....so that tells me this is very likely a hybrid with some potentially unique variegation on the petals. Do you think it's worth separating from the others in the pot and watching for potential registration- and intro-worthiness in the future?

@tarev , @snarfie , and other amaryllis experts and aficionados....what are your thoughts?
Name: Barbara
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bsharf
Oct 28, 2015 3:42 AM CST

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It would be a good idea to pot this up separately, just so you don't lose track of it. Just to be sure that this wasn't a freak occurrence, give it another blooming cycle to see if this variegation remains true. You would have to propagate it by off sets to keep this exact genetic combination. You might have some other interesting blooms in this pot.
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tarev
Oct 28, 2015 8:53 AM CST
I would do as Barbara suggests. And keep taking photos to compare it as it goes. That sure is a beauty Lovey dubby
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mcash70
Oct 28, 2015 9:09 AM CST
I think it is a lovely bloom and worth doing as Barbara suggested.
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snarfie
Oct 31, 2015 6:33 AM CST
It does remind me of hippeastrum 'gervase', because that one also has red/pink variegated flowers. But gervase is a 'sectored' variegate, and this one is more like a spot-variegated, meaning that the variegation doesn't have clearly marked sectors of the flower that extend to the outside of the flowerpetals, but yours also has random spots of color, and not really clean edges. I'd suggest waiting for another year of flowers, and if it's variegated again, wait for an offset. When it has a good size offset that's rooted, i'd first clean off all the dead material, andcut up the main bulb. 4 to 8 parts will be most likely to give good size offsets and multiple chances. I think it is best to put it in water(in separate cups, to be sure if there occurs rot, so not all parts will be lost at once), because the inner parts of the bulb will callous nicely instead of drying up partially first. IMPORTANT: if using the water method, you should refresh the water every few days, and clean the cup, because the hippeastrums will put out some kind of sticky slippery stuff that will stick to the cup, and it should be removed because it is (dead) organic material and could make it rot faster. It also smells pretty bad. Also the basal plate will form callous. Once callous is formed i would plant it in good draining soil, and keep it just a little damp, with a good watering once in a while to encourage root formation, and bury it just a little deeper than only the basal plate. After about 3 months there will be numerous new small bulbs. If that has happened, just give the whole thing a pot that suits the rootball and the bulbpart, and let it grow. The basal plate will shrivel away when the little bulbs have sucked all the energy from it and have roots themselves. By then they usually also have leafs. If the basal plate has shriveled up and the little bulbs are separate, you can pot them up individually.
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Name: Dnd
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DogsNDaylilies
Oct 31, 2015 4:52 PM CST
@snarfie - thank you for the detailed and wonderful advice!


The second bloom is opening terribly due to the colder, wet weather we've been having. It is taking it's time and looks haggardly. I wish it were inside already, I've prepared some of my smaller potted plants to come indoors, but my amaryllis are the last ones because they are the hardiest of the plants I have out there right now, so my two amaryllis, including this one, that are blooming have been subject to mother nature's poor attitude lately, LoL! Anyway, though, the point is that it's hard to tell from the second bloom if the variegation is holding true or not. I'm still wondering if it's the weather causing the strange variegation. Guess I'll have to wait and see!
Name: Dnd
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DogsNDaylilies
Nov 1, 2015 1:52 PM CST
I don't think this is a special hybrid anymore, I think the bloom must have been affected by the weather because the second bloom on the same scape/stalk looks more like my other amaryllis bulb. Here's a picture of both of the open blooms (same scape/stalk):


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It's strange how the first one came out so variegated and how the second one came out looking like a registered cultivar, but so much smaller.
Name: Dnd
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DogsNDaylilies
Nov 1, 2015 1:58 PM CST
Also, I did find a picture or two of some of the original blooms in the pot...or what I believe were the originals. These pictures were taken January of this year (2015):


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(There appear to be two different pastels...one more pink and solid, the other appears to be striated and likely hippeastrum striatum?)

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(my guess is this one is Red Lion?...since that is a pretty common, solid red variety)
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mcash70
Nov 1, 2015 2:48 PM CST
Still pretty, but it would have been even better as a variegated bloom.

Yes, your red looks like Red Lion.
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bsharf
Nov 1, 2015 5:39 PM CST

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The original one does look like striatum. One clue is the number of blooms on the scape. Striatum has two or three instead of the expected four blooms. I'm not sure about the red one. Do they all have two blooms on the scapes. That isn't typical of Red Lion. They look smaller than I would expect for Red Lion, thought its hard to be sure from that photo.
Name: Dnd
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DogsNDaylilies
Nov 1, 2015 6:01 PM CST
Now that I know a bit more about amaryllis, I'm going to hope I get some nice blooms indoors this winter and I'll measure them and take better pictures so that my little NOIDs might have some hope of being identified.
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bsharf
Nov 2, 2015 5:00 AM CST

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Measure across the flower, tip to tip. That helps to ID. Also number of flowers on the scape.
Name: snarfie
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snarfie
Nov 5, 2015 11:14 AM CST
bsharf said:The original one does look like striatum. One clue is the number of blooms on the scape. Striatum has two or three instead of the expected four blooms. I'm not sure about the red one. Do they all have two blooms on the scapes. That isn't typical of Red Lion. They look smaller than I would expect for Red Lion, thought its hard to be sure from that photo.


the red lion here produced two scapes with both 4 flowers when it flowered the first time. All scapes that were produced later beared only two flowers.
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Ely_tropicales
Jan 26, 2016 9:59 AM CST
You amaryllis look so gorgeous Thumbs up
Name: Dnd
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DogsNDaylilies
Jan 26, 2016 3:18 PM CST
Thank you! I have another bulb that bloomed with appears to be a hybrid of the striatum (from the picture above) and a red variety that I have. It was grown in more controlled conditions (indoors), so I'm more confident that it is supposed to look like how it came out looking, which is really pretty, IMHO! I'll post pictures either here or in the 'what's blooming' thread.

Thanks again for the compliment on the flower!

mytopoms10
Mar 9, 2016 3:22 PM CST
Do Amaryllis bulbs multiple like other bulbs
Thanks
Name: Dnd
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DogsNDaylilies
Mar 9, 2016 7:48 PM CST
Mine create little bulbettes, if that's what you are referring to.

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