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Name: Tim Stoehr
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tcstoehr
Oct 29, 2015 1:14 PM CST
This, I have reason to believe, is 'Pacific Knight'. I got it this summer from Simply Succulents. I was trying to get 'Pacific Magic Night' but received this instead. My fault, not theirs. Alcohol may have been involved. *Blush* It sat in a little pot for a while before I decided to give it some real estate in the semp garden. This picture was taken today. Pictures of this cultivar on ATP show a quite dark red. This guy, actually, shows less red than a month ago. And the green was a darker olive green and has lightened up a bit. But my 'Pacific Shadows' and 'Pacific Devils Food' are as red as can be, showing no signs of lightening up. I'm not sure why, but I thought red coloration tended to increase going into Fall and Winter. Is there any truth to that? Or does each cultivar do its own thing regarding the timing of its red hues?

Oddly enough there was a picture of this same variety in the book 'Hardy Succulents' showing it ablaze with orange and yellow. Confused A month ago mine looked alot like its picture on the SS web site, which was olive green with strong red tips. https://www.simplysucculents.com/online-store/products/147
There it states that it turns to deep burgundy in the Fall, but it seems to be headed the other way.
I begin to wonder if I have a cultivar mix-up. Either that or I'm just mixed-up in general.
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Oct 29, 2015 5:11 PM CST

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Here you go Tim. The Fall photos show it as mainly green this time of year. http://sempervivum-liste.de/Sempervivum/Pacific%20Knight
It will be interesting you watch it change colors. Keep us posted.

Opps, just went and looked at Simply Succulents web site and photo of their 'Pacific Knight'. That does not appear to be the correct plant.
I find nothing showing 'Pacific Knight' as having a green base with red tips. https://www.simplysucculents.com/online-store/products/147

Here is what we have in our datase: Hen and Chicks (Sempervivum 'Pacific Knight')

I am thinking @Patty may have the wrong semps also. Patty, where did you get your 'Pacific Knight'?

I'm splitting this thread so we can have a discussion on this semp. Thank you for bringing this one up Tim. Hurray!
Name: Tim Stoehr
Canby, Oregon (Zone 8b)
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tcstoehr
Oct 29, 2015 7:29 PM CST
Hmmmm. Mine, Patty's and the SS picture could all be the same (possibly incorrect) cultivar. In fact the SS picture and Patty's appear quite similar except that Patty's has reddened up a bit, but the red leaf-tip shape is there and so is some of the olive green. The SS picture looks like it would redden up in Fall/Winter to look alot like Patty's.
Mine, however, seems to be losing the redness while lightening up in the green areas. It's going the wrong way, maybe the shipping and transplanting has it seasonally confused.
I will keep an eye on it.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Oct 29, 2015 11:15 PM CST

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Did you look at the German site Tim?
And the other photo in our database, it was taken at Kevin's place. It is the correct 'Pacific Knight'.
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springcolor
Oct 29, 2015 11:21 PM CST
Lynn, Patty's photo says it's from Fernwood nursery
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Oct 29, 2015 11:24 PM CST

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Thank you Julia, I forgot to look at the info. Thank you.
Name: Tim Stoehr
Canby, Oregon (Zone 8b)
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tcstoehr
Oct 30, 2015 12:17 PM CST
valleylynn said:Did you look at the German site Tim?
And the other photo in our database, it was taken at Kevin's place. It is the correct 'Pacific Knight'.


I did look at the German site, although only just now did I discover to press the "bilder-galerie" link to see all the photos. There was only one I saw there that vaguely reminded me of either my photo, Patty's ATP photo, or the SS photo. And that was a copy of Patty's ATP photo, the exact same one shown above, but without the Fernwood copyright.
I did, however, see there alot of red leaves with green tips. The opposite of what I would expect.
The Kevin Vaughn ATP picture seems correct.

I have to believe that the German site shows a different cultivar than the one from my picture, Patty's picture, or the SS picture.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Oct 30, 2015 1:23 PM CST

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Yes, I agree Tim. Let's get Kevin to look at this topic.
@JungleShadows Kevin do you have any other seasonal photos of your 'Pacific Knight'?
Name: Tim Stoehr
Canby, Oregon (Zone 8b)
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tcstoehr
Nov 28, 2015 8:52 PM CST
I had an email exchange with Sue at Simpy Succulents. She says they've been dealing with 'Pacific Knight' for years now and she seems confident that they have the correct plant and picture. She agrees the colors aren't right but says it's due to their dim northern sunlight levels. Which is one reason they're moving their off season shipping from Wisconsin to Arizona. They expect the colors to be better when shipped from a sunnier locale, at least in the Winter. Still, I'm gonna keep an eye on this one.
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valleylynn
Nov 28, 2015 8:57 PM CST

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What does your look like now Tim?
Name: Tim Stoehr
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tcstoehr
Nov 28, 2015 9:24 PM CST
valleylynn said:What does your look like now Tim?


Drab green... completely.
Update, I just took a look (it's cold out there). And the leaves have faint red tips which pencil down the edges about as far as the leaf shoulder. Much like the SS photograph except my green is fainter and drabber, and the red tips are much thinner and fainter.
Maybe it turns red in Spring.
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Nov 28, 2015 10:59 PM CST

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When you get a chance take a photo. We will need one about every month, to follow it's coloring process. Thumbs up
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gg5
Nov 28, 2015 11:33 PM CST
valleylynn said:Here you go Tim. The Fall photos show it as mainly green this time of year. http://sempervivum-liste.de/Sempervivum/Pacific%20Knight
It will be interesting you watch it change colors. Keep us posted.

Opps, just went and looked at Simply Succulents web site and photo of their 'Pacific Knight'. That does not appear to be the correct plant.
I find nothing showing 'Pacific Knight' as having a green base with red tips. https://www.simplysucculents.com/online-store/products/147

Here is what we have in our datase: Hen and Chicks (Sempervivum 'Pacific Knight')

I am thinking @Patty may have the wrong semps also. Patty, where did you get your 'Pacific Knight'?

I'm splitting this thread so we can have a discussion on this semp. Thank you for bringing this one up Tim. Hurray!


Lynn and everyone, here are my thoughts... In the second picture of your sempervivum.list link, the plant looks flat and leaf shape different from the first picture which looks exactly like what you took at Kevin's. So I'm thinking maybe this one is a changeable type, in spring/summer during its red phase the leaves seem to stretch out, but during its green phase the semp closes up into more of a flat shape. The 2nd picture of the link also has the same leaf shape as the picture on Simply Succulents - maybe that red stripe is at one particular phase of color change, from the red center to a more green color? This is my idea anyway.
Let me know what other's think Smiling I have a version of this, and don't remember what it looks like, but this is why I'm curious I tip my hat to you.
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valleylynn
Nov 29, 2015 12:22 AM CST

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Can you get us a photo of your Greg?
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Nov 29, 2015 1:59 AM CST
I will thanks Lynn Thumbs up
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goldfinch4
Nov 29, 2015 6:33 AM CST

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@tcstoehr, I just tried clicking on the link to their store in the top post and see it's no longer a valid link. Looks like they might have removed that semp from their offerings.
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Nov 29, 2015 9:28 AM CST

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Here you go, it still shows on their site.
https://simplysucculents.com/shop/plants/sempervivums/semper...
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goldfinch4
Nov 29, 2015 10:48 AM CST

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Thanks Lynn!
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Name: Tim Stoehr
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tcstoehr
Nov 29, 2015 12:45 PM CST
Here's what mine looks like now. It seems quite consistent with SS's website picture, which BTW seems like a quite attractive cultivar. If mine colors up like that in the spring or summer I think I'll keep it. Although I quite doubt that it is in fact 'Pacific Knight'. It seems to me that SS puts their most colorful pictures on their website, and they would have used a solid red coloration if it ever happened. If it turns solid red in the Pacific Northwest sunshine, then I would think it would also in Wisconsin. But then again there are those regional differences and I am not exactly an expert at this.

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Comparing this picture to the one at the top of this thread, it does seem to have reddened up noticeably on the tips, the back sides and along the edges down to the leaf shoulders. I am left to wonder if this plant is more red in the winter or in the spring or summer.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Nov 29, 2015 3:47 PM CST

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@JungleShadows
Kevin, what does yours look like this time of year?

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