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Nov 9, 2015 6:50 PM CST
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
... and this is how Miss Lilly looks two days later (all flowers from the same stem):

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Nov 9, 2015 7:48 PM CST
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Name: della
hobart, tasmania
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She's holding up well!

Pumilum today, L. mackliniae and the ugly duckling:

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I agree wth your comment, Lorn. Pumilum succeeds in being bold and dainty, and it does it with flair!
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Nov 9, 2015 8:30 PM CST
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
Della, your L. pumilum is gorgeous, as is your L. mackliniae!

Could it be that further flowers of your 'ugly duckling' develop more even petals? The colours are beautiful!
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Nov 9, 2015 8:32 PM CST
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Name: della
hobart, tasmania
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I think the second bud will have normal petal numbers. The first bloom is a bit confused!
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Nov 9, 2015 8:48 PM CST
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
A few years ago I purchased L. mackliniae seeds on eBay, but had no positive results. I spent a LOT of money buying Lilium seeds on eBay, and very poor results.

My next Lilium to bloom will most likely be Lilium candidum. I have been killing many aphids hosted in the flower buds of this species!
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Nov 9, 2015 9:04 PM CST
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Name: della
hobart, tasmania
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I've had very mixed results with eBay seed sellers.... The NALS and RHS lily seed exchanges have been wonderful though!

I think somewhere here someone mentioned L. mackliniae could be difficult from seed. I know I've twice sown seed from this plant (self-pollinated but it looked good) and got nothing.... Will see if it sets seed this year.
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Nov 9, 2015 9:33 PM CST
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
I am a member of the RHS, but have not joined the Lily group, since I was told I am not allowed to request the seeds they offer once a year from their gardens (think the same applies to Liliums, or not?)
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Nov 10, 2015 1:51 PM CST
Sweden
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Yes, very pleasing colours on your seedling, Della and of course I adore the spots!
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Nov 11, 2015 6:28 AM CST
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Name: della
hobart, tasmania
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Thanks William. Smiling

The membership for the RHS Lily Group is separate to the RHS. I think the two groups have their relationship under review - not sure now what is happenng. Maybe I should pay closer attention to the boring bits of the news letters instead of just waiting for the seed list and good articles! This is they: http://www.rhslilygroup.org/
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Nov 11, 2015 12:16 PM CST
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
Thanks, Della, I will check the link!
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Nov 14, 2015 4:47 PM CST
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
Tiny Matrix (?) was the second one to bloom:

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One day later, my Lilium candidum seedlings (before the mother plant) bloomed and presented me with their lovely fragrance:




This should be my frist to boom Lilium's twin sister, but it has more burgundy in it than the other:

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The fun has begun!
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Nov 15, 2015 12:32 AM CST
Sweden
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Very nice, Ursula. Your L. candidum seedlings look particularly nice presented in that light against the darker foliage background!!!

I tried to grow that one once, but had to rip it out and discard it just as it was about to bloom for the first time as I was suspicious about it being virused and when the aphids came for a visit I didn't want to risk growing it any longer Grumbling .

Apparently the bulb is very drought tolerant as I bought mine very early in the summer on sale and it was in perfect condition (except being virused) and grew perfectly when autumn came. It must have been dug a year before and the other lily bulbs I got from the same company (a very respectable and well known one here in Sweden, I might add) at that time were garbage being stored warm and dry for a long time. Yes, I know one shouldn't plant it in the summer, but what can I say, I did mention it was on sale, didn't I!
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Nov 15, 2015 5:06 AM CST
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Name: della
hobart, tasmania
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Nice, Ursula! Hurray!

Sales - those events that persuade us to buy things when we shouldn't! I fall for them too often. Usually when an email from a certain bulb company lands in my inbox. And I should know better. Hilarious!

Here's the different shades of the pumilum strains, side by side. One was meant to be Yellow Bunting and the other Golden Gleam:

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Nov 15, 2015 7:20 AM CST
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Name: Tracey
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Nice Ursula and Della. Particularly loving those pumilum shades this morning. L. candidum is a very different yet lovely one. Despite knowing its virus potential, I continue to grow it and have for years. It's one of my first to bloom. Sweet smelling with unique foliage, glorious in its own right.

Keep those flower pics coming.
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Nov 15, 2015 10:24 AM CST
Name: Rick R.
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dellac said:One was meant to be Yellow Bunting and the other Golden Gleam:
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That's the thing with all these forms when we get seed for them, and grow them on; it is so very important that the crosses to produce said seed are protected! Very often, unknowing and well meaning seed collectors assume that an open pollinated flower of one of these forms will produce the same seed, when in fact, it most likely will not.

L. pumilum Yellow Bunting and Golden Gleam, L. amabile luteum, L. martagon var. album, L. regale album, the list goes on and on (and not just in Lilium). These are all forms (the botanical designation: forma) in my opinion, not varieties or cultivars. Although often rare or very rare, the genes are likely hidden among most wild populations. They have a possible probability to pop up now and then, with the random right parental crossing. This is not to say that a white form of something that originates in one population is identical to another in another population, even though they look the same. There would always be the underlying genetic base of the unique population that would make each of them different. (With Lilium, this is a very good thing because there would be no self-infertility problem if these different white forms were crossed.)

But, the following is a pretty sure bet:
For instance, in Della's case of the "Yellow Bunting" that was orange, the yellow gene(s) in the seed lot is present in all the seeds (and thus seedlings), even though the trait is not outwardly shone. Thus, controlled crossing of these seedlings ought to produce a proportion of yellow flowering plants. If these yellow flowering plants were again hand pollinated and protected, the the progeny would have a much higher percentage of yellow flowering plants, if not 100%.
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Nov 15, 2015 10:48 AM CST
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
William, you are right: L. candidum is a magnet for aphids! I spray the infected blooms with a commercial house & garden product, let it act for a few minutes, and then wash aphids and insecticide off with the hose.

I am safe from being tempted: no Lilium bulb sales here!

Della, your pumilum strain lillies are breath taking!

Tracey, when you say 'virus potential', do you mean the ability of L.c. to attract aphids? How would you know if a white Lilium has mosaic virus? It would be very sad if I had to quit growing them!
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Nov 15, 2015 5:30 PM CST
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It's good to see another season start!
Nothing that's been done can ever be changed.
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Nov 15, 2015 6:04 PM CST
Name: ursula
Chile (Zone 9b)
Now you know how much we rely on you 'northeners' to make it through winter down here, j! We simply cannot 'survive' without Liliums Green Grin!
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Nov 16, 2015 3:53 AM CST
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Ursula what made me suspicious about my L. candidum was that the foliage was malformed. Yours should be healthy from the start as you raised them from seed. If you do get virus on them it will be because they are very susceptible to virus and this will also be an indication that you have virus on other plants or lilies, although they perhaps don't show symptoms. This was very different to the situation I had getting a virused bulb. So your L. candidum are not dangerous to your other lilies, rather other lilies are dangerous to them!
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Nov 16, 2015 4:22 AM CST
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Name: della
hobart, tasmania
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Rick, you make a very good point. I hope in the seedlings I raise from deliberately interbreeding the not-yellow-Yellow-Bunting-seedlings, that the yellow will express again in a fair proportion of them. We'd expect about a quarter of them to be yellow if classic Mendelian genetics were at play, I think? It will be fun to see.

Ursula, if I harvest enough pumilum seed this year, you're very welcome to some. Smiling

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