Plant ID forum: Need help identifying a tree

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txtome
Nov 3, 2015 6:21 AM CST
I found this tree on my property and need help identifying it. Do you know what the name is. I believe it is less than 3 yearsold and it is about 6 - 7 feet tall. I live in east Texas near Rusk. Thanks, Tom
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JRsbugs
Nov 3, 2015 6:50 AM CST
Welcome!

Paulownia tomentosa looks a good bet.

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purpleinopp
Nov 3, 2015 6:53 AM CST
Are you able to add a pic of an entire leaf?
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JRsbugs
Nov 3, 2015 7:27 AM CST
Here's a young Paulownia tomentosa plant which I grew from seed, planted in 2005.

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They are still alive but not doing well in our cool climate, they would never become invasive here as they don't get the chance to flower.

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txtome
Nov 3, 2015 8:07 AM CST
Here are several more pictures.
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porkpal
Nov 3, 2015 9:21 AM CST
I agree with Janet.
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txtome
Nov 4, 2015 5:59 AM CST
Thanks so much. Tom
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greene
Nov 4, 2015 7:31 AM CST
Sorry, but I am not in agreement with the others on this one. To my eyes there is not enough information to make an identification. Unless my eyes are seeing it wrong, it appears that the leaves are in whorls of three which would make it a Catalpa.

https://bwwellsassociation.wordpress.com/2014/08/04/distingu...

Even if it is a Paulownia, identification would be nearly impossible from theses photos. Photos would need to be more clear to show details - even then a hand lens may bee needed. This link (from New Zealand) shows the difference between several Paulownia.
http://maxa.maf.govt.nz/sff/about-projects/search/L03-022/ch...

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frostweed
Nov 4, 2015 7:43 AM CST
Greene, that is very good observation, I hadn't noticed the way the leaves grow. You learn something every day.
That is a very good link too about the differences. Smiling
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greene
Nov 4, 2015 7:51 AM CST
I'm not a plant expert but I've been growing Paulownia since I "rescued" one from a property formerly owned by Phineas T. Barnum. Something about the plant in this thread just looked a bit wrong to my eye. Not saying I am correct.
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JRsbugs
Nov 4, 2015 8:22 AM CST
Interesting observation greene.

In the first pics I thought the leaves looked to be opposite in twos, however in the last pic they do appear to be in a whorl of three.

I'm not convinced this is Catalpa, look at the first pic posted by txtome with his hand on the leaf, it's huge. On the link you provide it states:

The Paulownia leaf is usually much larger and broader than the Catalpa leaf. Below is an average sized Paulownia leaf on the left, with a ]very large Catalpa leaf on the right.


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I would question the knowledge submitted as fact on your first link.

The second link is more authoritative.

Distinctions from other genera: Paulownia specimens are most likely to be confused with Catalpa in the family Bignoniaceae. Catalpa trees are easily distinguished by the much longer seed pods which are usually more than 15 cm long and can be up to 1 m. Paulownia has branchlets with a hollow pith, while those of Catalpa are solid and whitish. The leaves are similar but the leaf hairs of Catalpa are not stellate. In the Catalpa flower the calyx is two-lobed, the corolla is bell-shaped and whitish with yellow and darkpurplish markings in the throat, and there are five stamens but only two are functional.


http://maxa.maf.govt.nz/sff/about-projects/search/L03-022/ch...

Nowhere in the above distinction has it been stated the difference of two, or three leaves per node. Even if the leaves are three to a node, they are still opposite.

It's still most likely Paulownia tomentosa, or a hybrid of Paulownia.

greene, just saw your last post. This tree is leaning away from shade and being drawn towards light.
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Name: Greene
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greene
Nov 4, 2015 8:40 AM CST
Just to clarify, I did not say the tree was Catalpa or Paulownia. I only said that there is not enough information visible in the photos to make a positive identification. I offered the links to show that there is often confusion and difficulty in identifying some trees which appear similar.

As for the leaves being huge, both Catalpa and Paulownia have huge leaves when the trees are young; this may be true of other types of trees.

I am certainly no expert. There are others, yourself included @JRsbugs, who are far more qualified than myself to make identifications. But sometimes a photo does not provide enough information. Perhaps we could ask txtome to provide some details to help make a better identification, or perhaps he could provide some botanical details that would help with the identification. If txtome could take a photograph of a cut branch that would help as the Paulownia would be hollow. What are some other details needed?

Again, I am not attempting to say what the tree is, only that I feel more information is needed.
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stone
Nov 4, 2015 1:17 PM CST
I have paulownia, but can't identify the posted pictures with any certainty.

A couple more trees with large leaves include sycamore, red mulberry, and poplar.
I'd look around the yard, and the neighbors yard and see what mature trees were nearby...

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lovemyhouse
Nov 4, 2015 2:23 PM CST
Welcome! Tom
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