Plant ID forum: Mystery Red Leaves Plant

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Name: Vicki
Rocklin, CA (Zone 9b)
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MunchkinsMom
Nov 7, 2015 2:17 PM CST
I ordered several plants from a nursery that throws in a free plant of their choice. All the plants I ordered are new to me. Two plants I ordered because Hummers love them, Hamelia Patens Firebush Hummingbird Bush and Firespike Acrnthaceaue Scarlet Flame.

My order arrived with healthy-looking plants in plastic bags wrapped in paper and hand-labeled. I got two plants labeled only "Firebush". One has shiny green leaves and had some red blooms finishing up. I think it may be the Acrnthaceaue Scarlet Flame (or actually Odontonema cuspidatum, see http://www.igarden.com.au/plant-type.jsp?t=Odontonema.

The other has red leaves, no sign of flowers. Deduction would lead me to believe it is the Hamelia Patens, but I haven't found any pictures of Hamelia Patens with red leaves.

Any help?? Confused
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Name: Jay
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Horntoad
Nov 7, 2015 2:25 PM CST
The leaves of Hamelia patens do turn red in cool weather.
https://www.victoriaadvocate.com/photos/2014/oct/25/121316/
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Name: Lin
Florida (Zone 9b)
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plantladylin
Nov 7, 2015 2:26 PM CST
It looks like Firebush (Hamelia patens) to me. Here are a couple of photos showing fall color:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=fall+leaves+of+hamelia+p...
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=fall+color+of+hamelia+pa...
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Name: Lin
Florida (Zone 9b)
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plantladylin
Nov 7, 2015 2:34 PM CST
Munchkinsmom, *Blush* Where are my manners?? I forgot to say Welcome! to All Things Plants!
Is this the one you call Hummingbird Bush? Flame Acanthus (Anisacanthus quadrifidus var. wrightii)
Oh, and Firespike (Thyrsacanthus tubaeformis) is a beauty. I have it growing in my yard and the hummingbirds do love it!
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Name: Vicki
Rocklin, CA (Zone 9b)
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MunchkinsMom
Nov 7, 2015 5:32 PM CST
Horntoad and plantladylin, Thank You! so much for a warm welcome and solving my quandary. I have been just totally confused about many of my new plants. The internet is full of info, but so much of it is not necessarily accurate (not deliberate misrepresentation, just confused). I am so thrilled I finally found this site, and feel totally confident in the info I find here. Thank you all!! Group hug

In trying to find more information to corroborate the minimal info provided on the seller's site, my brain was exploding. Now that Horntoad and plantladylin have solved the mysteries, which of these plants do you think would have a better chance in an area that gets full sun all day, but will have a little shade from a nearby Cercis in late afternoon, and usually has great drainage, but can collect water for a while (day or two) during heavy rainfall? (as best I can recall about rain).

Here are links to the seller's site for the two plants that were in question.
The Hamelia is the one referred to as Hummingbird Bush. http://www.morrisplantnursery.com/store/p52/Hamelia_Pataens_...

The Firespike seems to have gone by many names according to various sites I have found (including the link in my original message). Does that square with what you know? Seller's link http://www.morrisplantnursery.com/store/p42/Firespike_Scarle...

And last but not least, here is a picture of the two 2" plants together. Since it's getting much cooler here very quickly and these are only about 2" plugs, should I pot them up and hold them until spring or do you think I might get away with putting them in the ground.? Confused
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Name: Lin
Florida (Zone 9b)
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plantladylin
Nov 7, 2015 6:44 PM CST
Dang, I typed a long reply and then Firefox suddenly quit on me! Grumbling Computers! Let me try again. Green Grin!

"Firebush", "Firecracker Shrub", "Hummingbird Bush" and "Mexican Firebush" are all common names for Hamelia patens.

"Firespike", "Scarlet Flame", Cardinal Guard" and "Mexican Firespike" are all common names for Thyrsacanthus tubaeformis.

So, you can see why plant names are so confusing. Green Grin!

I think the Hummingbird Bush may do fine planted near your Cersis, it grows to @ 5 feet tall. My next door neighbor has a large shrub right up next to the side of his house and when it rains that part of the yard is flooded and very slow to drain. We've lived next door to him for four years and I haven't noticed any issues with that Hamelia patens shrub!

I have Firespike/Scarlet Flame growing in full sun as well as some in a little shade in a well draining area of the yard. Just be aware that it grows 6 to 8 feet tall.

I don't know how cold your winters get, whether you ever have frost or freezes but being as they are small plugs, my suggestion would be to pot them up and hold them until spring before planting them out.

Hopefully others will pop in with some suggestions.


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lovemyhouse
Nov 8, 2015 8:35 AM CST
Welcome, Vicki. Smiling Welcome! Welcome!
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Name: Lin
Florida (Zone 9b)
Region: United States of America Morning Glories Region: Florida Houseplants Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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plantladylin
Nov 8, 2015 9:24 AM CST
Vicki, that little pup in your avatar photo is so cute ... is that by chance Munchkin?
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Name: Vicki
Rocklin, CA (Zone 9b)
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MunchkinsMom
Nov 12, 2015 5:23 PM CST
Lovemyhouse - Thanks for the welcome. Thank You! Love your avatar, too!

plantladylin - Right you are! That's the light of my life, my little Munchkin man. Angel Lovey dubby Lovey dubby I think he's getting a little jealous Grumbling of all the planting, butterflying, birding business going on around here lately. Hilarious!

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