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gargoyl52
Nov 16, 2015 3:04 PM CST
So when it comes time, what do you use to fertilize your seedlings?
Name: Peter
Allentown PA (Zone 6b)
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Nysbadmk8
Nov 16, 2015 4:54 PM CST
I use a hydroponic two part at 1/4-1/2 dose. Nothing salt based.
Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Nov 16, 2015 5:08 PM CST
What is hydroponic two part?
Name: Peter
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Nysbadmk8
Nov 16, 2015 6:40 PM CST
Typically hydroponic fertilizers are sold as Part A and Part B. Some in three parts. I stick with inexpensive two parts.


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Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
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gargoyl52
Nov 16, 2015 7:45 PM CST
Do you grow your day lilies by hydroponics?
Name: Peter
Allentown PA (Zone 6b)
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Nysbadmk8
Nov 16, 2015 11:02 PM CST
I do not, I have a solid background in hydroponics, and will attempt in the next coming months to pick up where Doorakian left off when it comes to growing daylily's in a aeroponic environment.

I use hydroponic fertilizers since they aren't salt based mostly, easy to measure and dilute, typically have more minor elements needed in a closed environment (seed mixes bring no nutrients to the table since they are soilless)
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Nov 17, 2015 8:23 AM CST
I checked out those products and they contain the same as "conventional" fertilizers. The Veg A, for example, is made of potassium nitrate and calcium nitrate, both salts. Confused
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gargoyl52
Nov 17, 2015 8:37 AM CST
Would a granular slow release better or diluted water soluble?
Name: Sue
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sooby
Nov 17, 2015 8:53 AM CST
I would go with weak soluble for seedlings, personally.
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gardenglory
Nov 17, 2015 9:00 AM CST
I use the MG premixed in the bottle that you run thru the hose. I water them with it every time I water. It is half the strength of the powdered MG mixed up per directions. I mix up the blue stuff at half strength to refill with. Once a month or so, I water with the full strength MG, but not this time of the year. I stick with the ' weakly weekly' routine.
Milorganite twice a year. Lime and some minor elements when planting. In the spring, I might throw some dynamite on them.
I always water in my seedlings with MG seedling starter, and put some plantone in the hole.
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Mayo62
Nov 17, 2015 12:37 PM CST
gardenglory said: In the spring, I might throw some dynamite on them


I guess that is one way to get rid of slugs and other pests, and you won't have to divide your DL's very often... ? Blinking


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a DL flower a day keeps the doctor away
Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
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gargoyl52
Nov 17, 2015 12:45 PM CST
Ok. I have found a product made by "muskie" it's a fish emulsion. Would that be too high is nitrogen? The numbers are 2-2-2
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Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Nov 17, 2015 1:07 PM CST
Mayo, yes that will certainly help the plants "take off" Hilarious! Unless it's changed, Dynamite is the retail store equivalent of Nutricote.

Gargoyl52, I don't know how smelly that might be in the house (I'm assuming that's where it will be used)? I don't know if it has all the other nutrients that plants need in addition to the NPK. Do you have a complete analysis? I Googled and found a Muskie but it was not 2-2-2 so apparently not the same product. Miracle Gro and Plant Products fertilizers usually have micronutrients (trace elements). I would tend to go with something like that indoors. But I digress - to answer your question, it would only be too much if you applied too much. It's not just the analysis (which tells you the % of a nutrient in the product) but the amount you apply. So you could use 24-0-0, 10-0-0, 1-0-0 and still get the same amount of N depending how much of each you apply. For example you might apply a teaspoon of one product or a cup of another to give the same amount of N depending on the analysis.

Edited to add, it would also depend on the form of nitrogen and where you are using it. If it's organic nitrogen the plants can't use it until it's been converted into ammonium or nitrate by soil microorganisms. You're soilless mix may not have a lot of those but it would work fine in the garden.
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gargoyl52
Nov 17, 2015 1:59 PM CST
Ingredients in soil less fafard agro mix:

Peat moss
Perlite
Vermiculite
Composted manure
Starter nutrients
Calcium enriched

Doesn't say percentages
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Nov 17, 2015 2:12 PM CST
Fafard have a Canadian product website, http://fafard.ca - which one did you get? It won't say the percentages of the ingredients but it should say the fertilizer anslysis. You probably won't need to apply anything for a month or so (it should say).
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gargoyl52
Nov 17, 2015 2:14 PM CST
I got the Agro Mix potting and seeding mix
Name: Peter
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Nysbadmk8
Nov 17, 2015 2:26 PM CST
Sooby. that image was just an example of two part products. I dont use them.

I use Bio thrive (two part), Bio root, Diamond black
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Nov 17, 2015 2:30 PM CST
I don't see it on their Canadian site, is it a US version? The only AGRO mix I see is the seedlings and sprouts one but the ingredients aren't the same as on yours.

Since there's compost in yours the fish fertilizer may be adequate, you could try it and see, but personally I'd go with something more complete in a few weeks when the starter nutrients run out.
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Nov 17, 2015 2:34 PM CST
Nysbadmk8 said:Sooby. that image was just an example of two part products. I dont use them.

I use Bio thrive (two part), Bio root, Diamond black


Oh, I see. Those are not actually fertilizers though. Edit, sorry correction - I misread. The latter two are not fertilizers. I've no idea what the Diiron tris (sulphate) is in the other one?
OK I looked it up, it's ferric sulphate - iron. There are a few other salts in them, if I'm looking at the right product.

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gargoyl52
Nov 17, 2015 2:40 PM CST
I'm not sure if it's a U.S. version or how I would be able to tell lol. Although it does say it's Canadian sphagnum peat moss and has the Canadian website on the bag

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