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Nov 29, 2015 4:47 PM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Western Kentucky (Zone 7a)
Bee Lover Irises Hummingbirder Hostas Keeps Horses Farmer
Daylilies I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Container Gardener Cat Lover Region: Kentucky Birds
Ooooh -- would love to have bright blue -- I've got orange............... Sticking tongue out

Upside is that it's easy to see.
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Nov 29, 2015 4:59 PM CST
(Zone 9b)
Region: California Garden Ideas: Level 1
When they stopped using wire, I would get the orange twine too. You can still see some of it in old bird nests near the ceiling in the barn.
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Nov 29, 2015 5:34 PM CST
Name: Barbara
Northern CA (Zone 9a)
Region: California Cat Lover Dog Lover Irises Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Yep, orange, blue and very seldom white. I still find some orange twine while digging in the yard along with some very old nails from the previous owners.
• “Whoever said, ‘Do something right and you won’t have to do it again’ never weeded a garden.” – Anonymous
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Nov 29, 2015 7:29 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Gabriel/Gabe Rivera
Charlotte, NC (Zone 7b)
German imported, Michigan raised
Garden Photography Plant and/or Seed Trader Enjoys or suffers hot summers Roses Garden Procrastinator Region: North Carolina
Lilies Irises Hybridizer Hostas Dog Lover Daylilies
I want to do seedling beds eventually. I know they take great record keeping, so I'm focusing on just blooms for now.

Q's:1. Should I plant seeds immediately or the same year the pod produces? I hear they can last some years before germination and planting.

2. I researched vaguely and saw a great discription on naming seedlings. I knew there was something to all those numbers. Can anyone break it down to "dummies" terms?

3. How much space does a seedling need? They should remain in place for years upon devolping leaves right? Won't the process of elimination in time do this for me.
Confused Confused Confused

If it saves time, post a article link if you'd like and will read and memorize it.I'm just trying to learn from you all and fully be educated without.

Let me know if I ask too much stuff also. I do look this stuff up, but Google doesn't have "everything" Blinking
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Nov 29, 2015 7:31 PM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Rescue dogs: Angels with paws needi
Dragonflies Dog Lover Bookworm I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Bee Lover
Plays in the sandbox Butterflies Region: Texas Garden Sages I sent a postcard to Randy! Charter ATP Member
All are good questions, Gabriel. Thumbs up
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Nov 29, 2015 7:34 PM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Rescue dogs: Angels with paws needi
Dragonflies Dog Lover Bookworm I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Bee Lover
Plays in the sandbox Butterflies Region: Texas Garden Sages I sent a postcard to Randy! Charter ATP Member
All are good questions, Gabriel. Thumbs up Maybe one of these folks have time to dispense their own wisdom. Smiling

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Nov 29, 2015 7:37 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Gabriel/Gabe Rivera
Charlotte, NC (Zone 7b)
German imported, Michigan raised
Garden Photography Plant and/or Seed Trader Enjoys or suffers hot summers Roses Garden Procrastinator Region: North Carolina
Lilies Irises Hybridizer Hostas Dog Lover Daylilies
Brad @Aruba1334, I know you mentioned some great knowledge on your 'blooms' post about "good" parent plants..Is this trial and error, process of elimation, only time will tell? I have only a select quantity of named irises, found out I can make a pod, but can essential any iris(tb's)cross with another?

Or any of you knowledge junkies for the matter please chime in..
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Nov 29, 2015 7:41 PM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Rescue dogs: Angels with paws needi
Dragonflies Dog Lover Bookworm I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Bee Lover
Plays in the sandbox Butterflies Region: Texas Garden Sages I sent a postcard to Randy! Charter ATP Member
Gabriel, if my rememberer is working correctly, one or more of those three have already written out their method of hybridizing with most of the answers to your questions. I just don't know where to find the post(s). Shrug!
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Nov 29, 2015 7:45 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Gabriel/Gabe Rivera
Charlotte, NC (Zone 7b)
German imported, Michigan raised
Garden Photography Plant and/or Seed Trader Enjoys or suffers hot summers Roses Garden Procrastinator Region: North Carolina
Lilies Irises Hybridizer Hostas Dog Lover Daylilies
I looked around post from over 2 years ago and am still looking around. I'm sure there's something on this site. Guess I really need to get involved with the local society here in town..
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Nov 29, 2015 7:51 PM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Rescue dogs: Angels with paws needi
Dragonflies Dog Lover Bookworm I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Bee Lover
Plays in the sandbox Butterflies Region: Texas Garden Sages I sent a postcard to Randy! Charter ATP Member
Here is a quote from Paul about growing from seed. Hope it is useful for you.

"Lori...there are many methods.....In October If I had the seeds I would soak them for several days in luke warm water, rinsing often. I would then put them in a damp paper towel and in turn put that in a sealable plastic bag. Then into the vegetable keeper of the refrigerator for 2-3 months Some time after the first of the year pot them up with some good seedling potting mix and water well, You may be surprised when you open the packet to find them germinating. Put the whole works in a plastic bag or cover with saran and put in a warm place. Watch for the little green leaves to appear and then move to a sunny window or under good light. Keep them growing with mild fertilization until the weather is appropriate to line them out. About the time you would plant tomatoes in your area. You could also harden them off a little before planting out by setting the pot outside for a few days if weather allows. Bring in if it gets cold. After you have planted them out continue to take care of them. You may see bloom the next season"
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Nov 29, 2015 8:16 PM CST
Name: Paul
Utah (Zone 5b)
Grandchildren are my greatest joy.
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Gabriel...My seedlings were not nearly as nice as Brads but some were not bad. If I were starting I would do a couple of things. Spend some money and get a few newer ones from the top hybridizers. Some like Keppel and Ghio list parentage which is a help and that info is available here on ATP. Determine which parents are working for them and use one of them with something completely different. For instance Ghio has been getting nice things from My Beloved. Check to see what he has been using for the other parent and go somewhere else to pick something nice but not related. Make what I would call some predictable crosses and also some wild crosses. Be prepared to cull, cull, cull, when they bloom. Some of the top Hybridizers are using Blyth Iris in their crosses. You mentioned Edith Wolford. I would not use something like it because when I have seen it in a pedigree it is usually back a few generations back. I don't know how old you are but you sound enthused. Get started. At my stage of life I am to old to start a well planned breeding program like Brads seems to have. I remember when Brad and Kathy Kasperak started attending out UIS auctions to buy some iris. They had been growing Gladiolus but were having problems with thrips or mites and wanted to grow something else. He focused on broken colored iris and did well in becoming recognized. Ask any questions you have. Someone will glad to give their opinion. Perhaps we could start a thread focused on these questions.
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Nov 29, 2015 8:30 PM CST
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
Garden Photography Cat Lover Irises Region: North Carolina Peonies Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Gabe - late to this thread but some suggestions. If you are going to plant in the spring wait until mid March because NC is notorious for getting ice storms in early March and they can really wreak havoc with plants.

Second - Feb March April are great times for pulling up ivy and getting most of the buried roots because we get so much rain during that time. I cleared a ten foot patch along the entire length of the back of my house this year with ease because I pulled when the ground was moist and the roots came free more easily. Once it gets warmer the ground gets hard and it turns into backbreaking work.
As for the dwarfs, you were given good advice. The fans will be shorter than for the TB's but this may take until spring to really become evident. I have many TB's that have only little fans now, no bigger than the SDB's in some cases, but by spring the TB leaves will be much taller. Having said that, there are other medians, such as the intermediates and border bearded, that while classified as shorter have foiliage that is just as tall as some of the TB's (Viper being a great example). So while it is frustrating to have to wait, it really may take until some of them bloom to know what you have.
"The chimera is a one time happenstance event where the plant has a senior moment and forgets what it is doing." - Paul Black
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Nov 29, 2015 8:32 PM CST
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
Garden Photography Cat Lover Irises Region: North Carolina Peonies Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
There were a couple of threads earlier this year about hybridizing. Back in early summer I believe. There was some great instructions in those threads.
"The chimera is a one time happenstance event where the plant has a senior moment and forgets what it is doing." - Paul Black
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Nov 29, 2015 9:07 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Gabriel/Gabe Rivera
Charlotte, NC (Zone 7b)
German imported, Michigan raised
Garden Photography Plant and/or Seed Trader Enjoys or suffers hot summers Roses Garden Procrastinator Region: North Carolina
Lilies Irises Hybridizer Hostas Dog Lover Daylilies
I'm searching, stumbling on other goodies too. Some about fertilizers and such. Don't be shocked if you guys/gals receive 'thumb ups' from some really old threads.

Leslie, I'll have my ruler for length and bloom size,camera, note binder, everything hopefully for notes. I'm sure I'll have a few different classes in the mixed buys. The best part though..they're potted and categorizes. I'll have a slight head start luckily.

I'll be 34 in Jan. God willing, more miles ahead. I plan to continue this...on a light scale for now Whistling After watching HGTV all week though with the lady we've been thinking about flippin' the house and move a few miles out to the country. We're heavily interested in acreage. Just a dream for now, but then...I'll try a full scale operation.
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Nov 30, 2015 3:29 AM CST
Name: John
Kansas City,MO (Zone 6a)
Composter Region: Missouri Plays in the sandbox Enjoys or suffers cold winters
34!!! 34!!! At your age you should have had that lot cleared yesterday!! 34..... I tip my hat to you. I tip my hat to you. I tip my hat to you. I tip my hat to you. The Lord bless ya Gabriel.

Blessings

Oh great, now I'm completely lost on memory trails. Sighing! Sighing! Sighing!
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Nov 30, 2015 4:06 AM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
Butterflies Vegetable Grower Keeper of Poultry Irises Keeps Horses Dog Lover
Daylilies Cat Lover Region: Wisconsin Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Gabe, Paul gave you some good advice. It serves no purpose other then to see if you can do it, to make crosses without some goal. At first it's just to see if you can do it, but learn from the experts, and try to achieve something new and different. Always try to cross known plants that have good characteristics. Good luck!
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Nov 30, 2015 7:58 AM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake Lake, Arkansas (Zone 7a)
Magnolia zone
Region: United States of America Region: Arkansas Master Gardener: Arkansas Irises Plant and/or Seed Trader Moon Gardener
Garden Ideas: Master Level Dragonflies Bulbs Garden Art Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Gardens in Buckets
I agree with that philosophy, Gabe. So far I have not made any crosses...... just planted what the bees have crossed. If you are going to go to the effort, and time. to make an iris you should have a goal in mind. Otherwise, you will just get a ho-hum iris that may be pretty but not any of the outstanding new creations like you have been seeing on the other threads here. In selecting irises to cross look at their parentage. Even when you see a gorgeous iris registered with one parent X, or unknown, the known parent is one that has been hybridized for iris generations for desired qualities.
Thro' all the tumult and the strife I hear the music ringing; It finds an echo in my soul— How can I keep from singing?
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Nov 30, 2015 8:04 AM CST
Name: Arlyn
Whiteside County, Illinois (Zone 5a)
Beekeeper Region: Illinois Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015
34 , hmmmm! I guess I was 34 once, but I really don't remember that far back Sticking tongue out ! It sounds like you have a plan, Gabe !!
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Nov 30, 2015 11:47 AM CST
Name: Debra
Garland, TX (NE Dallas suburb) (Zone 8a)
Rescue dogs: Angels with paws needi
Dragonflies Dog Lover Bookworm I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Bee Lover
Plays in the sandbox Butterflies Region: Texas Garden Sages I sent a postcard to Randy! Charter ATP Member
If he and his lady keep watching HGTV, it is going to be an expensive plan. Ask me...no, don't ask me how I know. Whistling Whistling
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Nov 30, 2015 1:03 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Gabriel/Gabe Rivera
Charlotte, NC (Zone 7b)
German imported, Michigan raised
Garden Photography Plant and/or Seed Trader Enjoys or suffers hot summers Roses Garden Procrastinator Region: North Carolina
Lilies Irises Hybridizer Hostas Dog Lover Daylilies
Ha! Deb, the video you tagged me to is the one in which I watched closely when i crossed Pollen parent 'feed back' × pod parent 'lest we forget'.
I tried to cross it the other way as well, but Lest we Forget was about out of good pollen since it bloomed a week or 2 after feedback.

I do know my feedback at least is a good pollen parent or WAS for the matter.
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