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Name: Melanie Long
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mellielong
Dec 1, 2015 7:09 AM CST

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We came from here: The thread "November 2015 Butterflies, Moths & Larva " in Gardening for Butterflies, Birds and Bees forum

It may be December but the butterflies are still flying in Florida! I have to run to Target to fulfill my role as Melanie Claus, but let me leave you with a few pretty photos first.

I got to MOSI really early because I couldn't sleep. The Zebra Longwings didn't have that problem - they were roosting together.

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Malachites were still pretending to be leaves.

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Julias, too.

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I found me a big, fat Polydamas caterpillar!

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Saw a male Monarch on the Oleander. Didn't have my net, but I had a popup to collect caterpillars. It works pretty well with butterflies, too!

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This Malachite and Monarch were basking on the screen.

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The Long-Tailed Skipper was basking, too.

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Everyone was basking!

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I released a Zebra Longwing and it must have been female because this other Zebra started flying around her.

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I think the turtles were plotting another escape. We put a new fence up to keep them from climbing out.

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And back at my house, this White Peacock was basking in the lawn.

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Okay, let me go be productive and run errands. I'll be back soon. In the meantime, don't forget to vote in the photo contest. There are so many fabulous entries - I can't decide!
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Name: Melanie Long
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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mellielong
Dec 4, 2015 8:22 AM CST

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We had a cold front move through and bring us back down to normal temperatures. It was very cloudy yesterday but we only had a few sprinkles here and there. Bad butterfly weather. I still have tons of Long-Tailed Skippers, though. They just fly between porterweeds. I tried telling them there are other things blooming, but they ignore me. I'm afraid I may have to stage an intervention. Rolling on the floor laughing Here's one that was resting in the entryway early in the morning.

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Dec 4, 2015 12:16 PM CST
Beautiful pictures, Melanie! And thank you for the ID's - I saw a bunch of the White Peacocks in my yard recently and didn't know what they were. They were interesting to watch, as they all seemed to fly together, almost like a flock of ducks. Very cool!
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jimard8
Dec 4, 2015 6:14 PM CST
Melanie ( Sigh ) Sighing!
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Name: Melanie Long
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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mellielong
Dec 4, 2015 6:29 PM CST

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Glad to be of help, Ibis! White Peacocks can often be found in groups.

Jim, it's only December! Your butterflies will be back soon, I promise!
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jimard8
Dec 5, 2015 4:05 PM CST
Melanie . Earliest I ever saw one , Feb , one year , a morning cloak ,a Blue Giant Hyacinth interested it ,
Usually April before any , Only mildly conducive the environment here to butterflies .
They come for an effort or two though , Thumbs up
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Dec 6, 2015 6:47 PM CST
Found it on Pinterest:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/80713018299945935/
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flaflwrgrl
Dec 6, 2015 7:45 PM CST
I have no idea as to an ID. Guess I'll have to submit it to BAMONA.

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Edited to say I found it!!!!!
It's a Bella Moth:
http://www.butterfliesandmoths.org/species/utetheisa-ornatri...
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Name: Melanie Long
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mellielong
Dec 7, 2015 5:53 AM CST

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I actually knew that one! They're pretty, aren't they? Maybe that's why they named it Bella?
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flaflwrgrl
Dec 7, 2015 7:59 AM CST
Easiest moth I ever tried to find surprisingly! Hilarious! they really are pretty & yes, I would guess that's why they named them Bella. Thumbs up
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Name: Melanie Long
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
Larva tested, Pupa approved!
Butterflies Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Enjoys or suffers hot summers Region: Florida
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Bromeliad Native Plants and Wildflowers Forum moderator Plant Identifier
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mellielong
Dec 9, 2015 3:01 PM CST

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I've been on a walkabout, but here are a few images from today. I need to get some confirmed by BAMONA, but I have guesses as to what they are.

These are Gulf Fritillary caterpillars. No doubt there.

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Believe this is a Brazilian Skipper.

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Barred Sulphur

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So I've got another mystery cat on my hands. You see, I know Sida spp. are a host plant for the Tropical Checkered Skipper, but I've never found one. And that stuff grows everywhere. But today I saw a nest and opened it up. Sorry, I forgot to take a picture of the nest first. I got all excited like Christmas. Anyway, I found a caterpillar that looked suspiciously like a skipper cat.

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While looking for more, I found this guy. I think he's some kind of moth but I brought him in, too.

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In sad news, that moth caterpillar I was feeding grasses to that pupated kind of liquefied. I think it was parasatized or diseased. Thumbs down

In happier news, Phaon Crescents are back.

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This Long-Tailed Skipper was spotted flying around a patch of Desmodium spp.

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This Long-Tailed Skipper was basking on the bougainvillea.

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And this Long-Tailed Skipper was basking above the garage.

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But what I was trying to get a photo of was this tiny skipper I've been seeing. The Long-Tailed Skippers kept chasing it around the porterweed. In fact, when I was taking this photo, a Zebra Longwing flew over me and I yelled at it, "Don't you mess up my shot!" I think this is the Three Spotted Skipper. I saw one back in September, as confirmed by BAMONA. I submitted this one, so we'll see.

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fun, mellie!
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jimard8
Dec 9, 2015 4:16 PM CST
Nice to walk around this time of year , 54 degrees here today ,, no birds , no butterflies , oh well ,,
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Dec 9, 2015 6:20 PM CST
So I've been on an unsuccessful quest for seeds of Frogfruit and Spanish Needles. Sad Do any of you Florida folks, actuallly does anyone know where I can find seeds? Can you believe they are hard to find?

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Name: Melanie Long
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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Butterflies Hummingbirder Birds Bee Lover Enjoys or suffers hot summers Region: Florida
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mellielong
Dec 9, 2015 9:33 PM CST

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This person is selling Frogfruit on Etsy and they're from Texas so that might help. Some people believe a species is a species but I know some native plant folks say you should stick with your local ecotype. Like how Monarch Watch only ships milkweed seeds gathered in your general area.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/174093639/texas-frog-fruit-phyl...

This Oklahoma seed seller is out of stock but you can probably call and see if they will have it again soon.

http://www.lorenzsokseedsllc.com/frog-fruit-lippia-nodiflora...

As for Spanish Needles, well, I don't know how best to ship seeds, but if you tell me how to do it, I'll ship you some. I'm guessing the biggest threat would be moisture. No joke, I was picking those bad boys out of my leg hair today. (Shaving is hard with fibromyalgia. Not gonna lie; it's been a while.) In fact, let me rephrase. I will ship you so many you'll be able to plant a pasture. And they germinate so fast. I had Dad till the front section of the house so I could plant some pansies (for Mom), and eventually milkweed and I had Spanish Needle seedlings in three days! Grumble, grumble. And once you have them, they will self-seed themselves all over so keep that in mind.

I can see there not being much of a market because they're not exactly plants most people grow. Frogfruit is getting more popular and some people here are using it as an alternative to lawns because of its mat-like growing habit. As for Spanish Needles - most people here spend their life cursing and pulling them. They're one plant I can remember as a child because I used to do the "he loves me, he loves me not" thing with the petals. *Blush*
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Name: Melanie Long
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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mellielong
Dec 9, 2015 9:58 PM CST

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My signature is so tiny now. I mean, everyone's is like that but I'm more concerned with mine. Rolling on the floor laughing Dave changed it - something about making the site easier to look at on mobile devices. Shrug!

Well, I've been a little under the weather lately. Not enough to be totally sick or even think about going to the doctor, but a little more than allergies. So I haven't been outside much lately. But I do have a bit of a backlog of pictures, mostly from MOSI. So let's go!

Not this past week, but the one before (Nov. 29), I was Sulphur hunting. My boss actually cut down one of the big Cassias and I was like Blinking We have plenty so that's not the issue. I'm just wondering what she's planning to take its place. So like I've said before, when Cassias and Sennas bloom, you should really concentrate on the flowers because that's where the caterpillars tend to be. Focus on the newer growth, in general. Nobody wants to eat old leaves when they can have new leaves! It's like I tell the kids, "When you go to the salad bar, do you expect fresh veggies or wilted veggies?" Exactly.

Orange-Barred Sulphurs can really blend in, but I've learned to look for the blue pattern on them.

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I found this Cloudless Sulphur on a flower, but he was still in his green form. I guess he'd been eating mostly leaves because when they eat the flowers, they turn yellow.

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Leaves that have been recently chewed are also worth searching. Another behavior of Sulphur cats is that in the first couple of instars, they tend to like to lay right in the middle of the leaf. This one is sort of doing it. I circled him in the second photo so you guys don't think I'm messing with you. Hilarious!

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Now you guys are going to think I'm messing with you. When Sulphur cats hatch, they are very tiny, but they are also very orange. So if you know what to look for, you can find them easier than you might think. Still, there is a part of the plant that looks exactly like them. I need to go out and take a picture of my Senna so you see what I mean. When I first picked this guy up, even I wasn't sure if it was part of the plant or a caterpillar. I poked it with my fingernail and it moved, so it was a caterpillar. It's the orange thing on the top of the green thing in my hand. I told you they were small! His head is pointing upward in the second photo so you can see it moved.

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Dec 9, 2015 10:29 PM CST

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So this past Sunday I got to MOSI really early. Mostly because I couldn't sleep. It was kind of nice to be able to enjoy the gardens by myself. Not that I mind the guests, but sometimes I'm just not in the mood.

My bosses replanted the flight cage but they haven't gone full-on holiday, yet. Still, you can see the poinsettias in there. One task they asked me to do was water everything. The butterflies were not happy about being woken up by a blast of water, but they get out of the way pretty quick.

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We had some Julias that managed to escape to the outside. I recaptured a few, some as they were laying eggs. Rolling my eyes. Our outer enclosure has a screen panel that's broken so if they get out of the inner enclosure, they have a means of escape now. So I wasn't too surprised to find a Julia caterpillar outside. Normally, they would not be found this far north.

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You guys know I've been collecting the Spotted Oleander Caterpillar Moths, but somehow a regular old Oleander Moth Caterpillar ended up in the tank. You can see why people think Gulf Fritillary caterpillars are Oleander caterpillars. Well, I don't, but I'm educated. You can see the Oleander Moth has more hairs or bristles and they're grouped unlike the Gulf Fritillary caterpillar. Okay, here's the Oleander Moth cat.

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Here's a Spotted Oleander Moth caterpillar.

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And here are some Gulf Fritillary cats I found at my house the same day.

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You can see how people would get confused. But I talk to them about host plants and make it clear these two caterpillars are not the same. FYI, Oleander is very, very poisonous and I do not recommend planting it unless you have some kind of severe infatuation with it.

Back in the lab, some of the Spotted Oleander Moths made their cocoons. They're not very sophisticated, just some silk and hairs in the corner of the tank. They really liked the corners. The discarded skin is on the right side in the cocoon.

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We have so many Malachites right now. So many! In fact, one of my other tasks was to cut up some fresh fruit for them to eat. We're using tangelos right now. Malachites will eat flowers, too. They're not quite as rigid as some butterflies who will rarely come to a flower. But they do like fruit. I catch Monarchs on the fruit sometimes, too.

This Malachite wasn't ready to wake up.

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The butterflies tend to congregate in the corner of the ceiling where the sun comes up first.

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One of the benefits of the job is I get to walk around with butterflies on my hands. I don't do this in front of the guests too often because they think it means they can do it, too, despite the signs in there saying exactly not to do that. I always explain the reason I can do this is that the butterfly isn't able to fly yet and talk about the wing drying process. I admit, sometimes I like to mess with kids when they ask me how I do it. I tell them I'm magic, part fairy, a butterfly whisperer, etc. Rolling on the floor laughing But then, since this is a science museum, I have to tell them the truth. Kids are too easy to mess with and I can't help myself sometimes.

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Now, this Malachite is on Cleome, or Spider Flower. We generally have this plant around in the spring because it will host the Great Southern White and the Checkered White. I mean, they will just destroy it. As an aside, my mom really likes these. They just don't last in the heat so it's good that the White butterflies peak in the spring.

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Look, it's a Julia that didn't escape!

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Zebra Longwings are always one of the first butterflies to start flying. I also see them later in the day than you would expect.

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This one was practicing takeoffs! No, it's just basking on the Kumquat. It was pretty cool outside and they were still mad about the watering. But if I don't keep their plants alive, they wouldn't be very happy now, would they? FYI, we use the Kumquat as a host plant for when we have Giant Swallowtails.

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These Zebras Longwings were hanging with a Malachite.

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And the Monarchs refused to come down from the top until it warmed up. I can't blame them.

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Name: Melanie Long
Lutz, Florida (Zone 9b)
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mellielong
Dec 9, 2015 11:14 PM CST

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I did find a source for Bidens pilosa (aka Bidens alba), commonly known as Spanish Needles. I was checking my bookmarks and remembered the Florida Native Plant Society is always directing people to this website for the Florida Wildflowers Growers Cooperative. They don't have Frogfruit, but they do have a lot of hard to find native plants for those interested. Here's the page for Spanish Needles, but you guys know you can click up top to go to the main page: http://www.floridawildflowers.com/products/Bidens-alba%252d-...

Seriously though, I can't let anyone pay for something so common. The Suncoast chapter of the FL Native Plant Society sets up twice a year at the USF plant festivals. I've gotten some great plants at great prices from them. I love what they do. But sometimes I see them selling things that I know I can literally go dig up on the side of the road. Like my Spiderwort! So I kind of roll my eyes at some things, but if they can get someone to buy it, more power to them. And more money for their club and their cause! They do frequently sell out of plants. I usually rush to the bromeliad club first and make my way back to the native plant society later and sometimes there are already plants that are sold out. That's great though, that so many people are demanding native plants. Until we create a market for them, there won't be a market. Still, no one should have to buy Spanish Needles seeds. They're everywhere! I picked one off my quilt today! Let's not even talk about my shoelaces! Rolling on the floor laughing
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Dec 10, 2015 7:10 AM CST
I lost my thread here a while ,
I was saying Bidens Daisy , you all say spanish needles I think of Yucca Spanish Bayonet , .oh my , that ,,
Devils tickseed here,, Melanie Shoelaces ? Socks Hilarious! pants shirts Monster grabbers , lining of anything .
photos Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!
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Dec 10, 2015 8:09 AM CST
ew - I hate the ones that get in the laundry......
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