Plant ID forum: Mystery plant, could it be wild Begonia?

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Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Dec 4, 2015 4:00 PM CST
For 3 years this same plant has returned in the same spot in the red flower color, I have not had begonias for more than 5 years! We get harsh winters and begonias should not be able to survive theoretically.


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plantladylin
Dec 4, 2015 4:15 PM CST
Thumbs up It certainly looks like a Begonia to me! Amazing that it would survive for three years in N.Y.! Hurray! Check out images of Wax Begonia (Begonia x semperflorens-cultorum)
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Frillylily
Dec 4, 2015 4:20 PM CST
it is probably returning by seed, that would explain why it is in the same spot.
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purpleinopp
Dec 5, 2015 7:51 AM CST
It could be hardy Begonia, B. grandis.
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Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Dec 5, 2015 1:35 PM CST
[quote="purpleinopp"]It could be hardy Begonia, B. grandis.
]http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/PlantFinder/PlantFind...

I've only had wax begonias, but they have round leaves, this has spikes, and does look very similar to Hardy begonia except being red. Either someone had Hardy begonia and this is seed from that, or wax begonia seed reverted to a wilder, Hardy form, or hybridized to create this.
Name: Keith
West Babylon, NY (Zone 7a)
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keithp2012
Dec 5, 2015 11:25 PM CST
Took some up close photos of leaf and bloom.
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Name: Cindy
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Shadegardener
Dec 6, 2015 12:38 PM CST
I grow hardy begonias here and the leaf shape and flower presentation isn't quite right. Leaves on the B. grandis are longer and more pointed on the ends. Flowers are pendulous from longer stems. The photo sure looks like a wax begonia, annuals that I plant every year.
Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Dec 7, 2015 3:57 PM CST
Shadegardener said:I grow hardy begonias here and the leaf shape and flower presentation isn't quite right. Leaves on the B. grandis are longer and more pointed on the ends. Flowers are pendulous from longer stems. The photo sure looks like a wax begonia, annuals that I plant every year.


Well, then I guess they survive in cold zones by reseeding naturally. 🙂 Mystery solved!
Name: Cindy
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Shadegardener
Dec 7, 2015 4:45 PM CST
I've planted the annual begonias for a few years now ever since impatiens have been suffering from their fungal disease. Have never had any self-sow so maybe it's a rare, fortunate thing.
Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Dec 7, 2015 9:55 PM CST
Shadegardener said:I've planted the annual begonias for a few years now ever since impatiens have been suffering from their fungal disease. Have never had any self-sow so maybe it's a rare, fortunate thing.


We had frost, you think it should of died from that but it looks ok. Something odd is at play here...
Name: Cindy
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Shadegardener
Dec 8, 2015 8:52 AM CST
I find (here anyway) that begonias can take a little more cold than other annuals like impatiens. Could yours be in a little micro-climate? In my yard, early frosts seem to be deflected if the leaves are still on the oak trees. I'll see frost on roofs across the street but not in my yard down at ground level. I'm guessing the leaves create an insulated air layer with the ground temperature.
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purpleinopp
Dec 9, 2015 10:01 AM CST
Wax Begonias often live through winter here. Over the years, I've had several forms or variations of wax Begonias, and I've never known what the difference was, just that I can tell/see they're not identical - in height, leaf shape. They're a confusing bunch. There's a patch in my Mom's yard that's been there for about 6-7 years.
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Name: Cindy
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Shadegardener
Dec 9, 2015 10:45 AM CST
purple - nice! The only variation of wax begonias here is leaf or flower color. I've never started them from seed as I use up to 3 or 4 flats and seed-starting for them would take up too much space.
Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Dec 9, 2015 1:33 PM CST
purpleinopp said:Wax Begonias often live through winter here. Over the years, I've had several forms or variations of wax Begonias, and I've never known what the difference was, just that I can tell/see they're not identical - in height, leaf shape. They're a confusing bunch. There's a patch in my Mom's yard that's been there for about 6-7 years.


Do you have photos of the patch in your Moms yard?
Name: Tiffany
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purpleinopp
Dec 9, 2015 4:44 PM CST
No, sorry. I've just looked through all pic folders that include "mom's" in the name and don't see that I've taken a pic of that before. I found a pic of one of my plants that had both round and pointy leaves :


There are 2 entries for was Begonia here:
Wax Begonia (Begonia cucullata)
Wax Begonia (Begonia x semperflorens-cultorum)

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