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Jan 4, 2016 8:38 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jennifer Earnshaw
Kansas City Ks (Zone 6a)
All advice welcome
I wanted to put it in a smaller pot one that isn't too deep and I can use all the advice I can get so thank you very much for your help
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Jan 4, 2016 9:32 AM CST
Name: Rick
Vancouver Island, Canada (Zone 8a)
Adeniums Seed Starter Plumerias Peonies Native Plants and Wildflowers Hibiscus
Dog Lover Container Gardener Region: Canadian Cactus and Succulents Brugmansias Tropicals
Jennifer,
When did you pot this tree in the pot it is in now?
If you repot it now. Lift out of soil and clean off roots. This way you will be able to check for possible discoloration (probably will not be). Just something I do whenever repotting.
Choose a pot to put it in that will house the roots to no less than 1" - 1 1/2" on either side of widest part of root (caudex). You can raise it at this time by say 1" or so.
I like to only raise to the widest part, as I prefer a upside down " ^ " shape to finished appearance. This is my preference.
Pruning can be done in the spring, if desired.
Rick
"Many times a day I realize how much my own outer and inner life is built upon the labors of my fellow men, both living and dead, and how earnestly I must exert myself in order to give in return as much as I received"
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Jan 4, 2016 10:06 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jennifer Earnshaw
Kansas City Ks (Zone 6a)
All advice welcome
This pot I put in the beginning of last summer
The New Gardner
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Jan 4, 2016 1:41 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
@rcanada, tell me again how to raise a plant up when re-potting. I think I will trim the tap-root on 50% of my plants and raise half of those that are root-trimmed and half of those that are not root-trimmed. That will offer a good "experiment". I just need to know how you raise those plants up.

I did un-pot a single plant yesterday just to see if indeed, there was a tap-root. The plant was perhaps 6" tall. There was a tap-root, and though I just put the plant back into the same pot/soil, I did trim the tap root.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Jan 4, 2016 1:53 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jennifer Earnshaw
Kansas City Ks (Zone 6a)
All advice welcome
What happens you you trim the roots @drdawg
The New Gardner
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Jan 4, 2016 2:16 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Ask that again, @jenjan12345.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Jan 4, 2016 3:41 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jennifer Earnshaw
Kansas City Ks (Zone 6a)
All advice welcome
Sorry just read what I wrote. What happens to the plant when you trim the roots? @drdawg
The New Gardner
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Jan 4, 2016 4:54 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
According to those who are more knowledgeable growing them, cutting the tap-root stimulates the lateral roots to enlarge, producing a more "obese" form. I am not sure "obese" is the right term. Look back at some of the pictures that have been posted on other threads and you'll see some adenium with fat caudices.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Jan 4, 2016 5:10 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jennifer Earnshaw
Kansas City Ks (Zone 6a)
All advice welcome
Oh ok I'm hoping to get more experience I swear I've read up on everything I can find then there's something new I come across! If I have more than a few babies survive the next few months I would like to experiment with them.
The New Gardner
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Jan 4, 2016 5:15 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Oh, I just love to experiment!
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Jan 4, 2016 8:49 PM CST
Name: Rick
Vancouver Island, Canada (Zone 8a)
Adeniums Seed Starter Plumerias Peonies Native Plants and Wildflowers Hibiscus
Dog Lover Container Gardener Region: Canadian Cactus and Succulents Brugmansias Tropicals
Jennifer, I would not trim the roots on the tree that you had posted photo's of and asking about pot size.

Rick
"Many times a day I realize how much my own outer and inner life is built upon the labors of my fellow men, both living and dead, and how earnestly I must exert myself in order to give in return as much as I received"
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Jan 4, 2016 8:58 PM CST
Name: Rick
Vancouver Island, Canada (Zone 8a)
Adeniums Seed Starter Plumerias Peonies Native Plants and Wildflowers Hibiscus
Dog Lover Container Gardener Region: Canadian Cactus and Succulents Brugmansias Tropicals
Ken,
I have not done a tremedous amount of root pruning on seedlings. I have pinched alot during their first 2-4 months of age though.

Kadie has cut the tap root off and left the fine feeder roots before with good success.

I feel that this is best done young, although after saying this. The Thai growers and others will lop off the bottom (all roots) of a 6 month old seedling. Stick it to a disc and replant. Then many roots form around the circumference of the caudex.

Thumb of 2016-01-05/RCanada/050a48
This tree would have had the bottom cut off when younger and grown substantially for what you see in this photo.

I am not completely convinced that cutting the tap root necessarily makes the caudex get any larger than what it would be predisposed to have? It might? I think that the roots grow out the side rather than underneath giving it the appearance of being wider when lifted.

Rick
"Many times a day I realize how much my own outer and inner life is built upon the labors of my fellow men, both living and dead, and how earnestly I must exert myself in order to give in return as much as I received"
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Jan 4, 2016 9:03 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Perhaps my four ways of growing will produce some interesting results in a year or so. Time will tell. I love to experiment.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Jan 5, 2016 1:26 AM CST
Name: Willeke
Netherlands (Zone 8b)
Cactus and Succulents Houseplants
So Rick. Do you recommend not to cut the taproot. I must say I am already afraid to do it i must say. If you think they Will not get a larger cadeaux by it I rather not do it.
Love all plants
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Jan 5, 2016 2:20 AM CST
Name: KadieD
Oceania, Mariana Islands (Zone 11b)
Wet Tropical AHS Zone 12
Adeniums Tropicals Morning Glories Container Gardener Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 1
Dog Lover Cat Lover Bee Lover Vegetable Grower Butterflies Permaculture
RCanada said:
I am not completely convinced that cutting the tap root necessarily makes the caudex get any larger than what it would be predisposed to have? It might? I think that the roots grow out the side rather than underneath giving it the appearance of being wider when lifted.

Rick

I am inclined to agree with Rick. Here's a picture of a tree that I am fairly certain I did not cut the tap root.
Thumb of 2015-08-12/BabyK/c7c8e8

I cut the tap roots of these when seedlings were 2 months old.

Thumb of 2016-01-05/Rainbow/e6ca24
April 2015

Thumb of 2016-01-05/Rainbow/135883
April 2015

At 5 months old, these had tap roots cut.
Thumb of 2015-07-20/BabyK/4ff48c
July 2015

They must have been "predisposed" to grow this way. Note the months pictures were taken...they are all much bigger now.
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Jan 5, 2016 2:32 AM CST
Name: KadieD
Oceania, Mariana Islands (Zone 11b)
Wet Tropical AHS Zone 12
Adeniums Tropicals Morning Glories Container Gardener Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 1
Dog Lover Cat Lover Bee Lover Vegetable Grower Butterflies Permaculture
This one is the same pic above #3
Thumb of 2016-01-05/Rainbow/135883
April 2015

Same tree 7 months later after being lifted again.
Thumb of 2016-01-05/Rainbow/6fa9ec
November 2015

Tomorrow I will take and post pictures of those that I had cut the tap roots at 5 months old. In my own horticultural experiences and observation of my trees, there is a definite difference between cutting at 2 months and cutting at 5 months. I wouldn't know anything about cutting roots at any other ages or size of plant, or of when to cut in other climatic environs.
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Jan 5, 2016 3:55 AM CST
Name: Willeke
Netherlands (Zone 8b)
Cactus and Succulents Houseplants
Very impressive Kadie. Nice Hurray!
Love all plants
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Jan 5, 2016 3:59 AM CST
Name: KadieD
Oceania, Mariana Islands (Zone 11b)
Wet Tropical AHS Zone 12
Adeniums Tropicals Morning Glories Container Gardener Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 1
Dog Lover Cat Lover Bee Lover Vegetable Grower Butterflies Permaculture
I posted just for you, Willeke, to help you decide on whether to cut the tap roots or not. Smiling
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Jan 5, 2016 4:19 AM CST
Name: Willeke
Netherlands (Zone 8b)
Cactus and Succulents Houseplants
They do look different, but it seems a bit scary. I am afraid they will die when i do it. Sad
Love all plants
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Jan 5, 2016 4:21 AM CST
Name: KadieD
Oceania, Mariana Islands (Zone 11b)
Wet Tropical AHS Zone 12
Adeniums Tropicals Morning Glories Container Gardener Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 1
Dog Lover Cat Lover Bee Lover Vegetable Grower Butterflies Permaculture
Experiment, then. Just do a couple. These guys are very resilient.
Nite-nite now...my bedtime. Talk to you tomorrow.

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