Plant ID forum: Adding Dracaena to data base

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Name: Audrey
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Esperanza
Jan 9, 2016 6:02 PM CST
I was going to add this but I am unsure of what category to put it under. Any ideas?




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JRsbugs
Jan 9, 2016 6:50 PM CST
I think it's one of the Dracaena deremensis group but is better marked than Warneckii, likely a good selection which has been named. White Bird, and White Jewel are two of which it might be.

http://www.armstronggarden.com/dracaena-deremensis-warneckii...

The description given on the following link suggests that White Bird has less 'chimera' on the surface than White Jewel. By chimera I guess is meant the fire-dragon markings.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cf4wBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT18&lpg...



Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jan 9, 2016 6:55 PM CST
Reminds me of Dracaena fragrans 'White Stripe': http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=dracaena+fragrans+white+... which isn't in our database so I submitted a proposal to enter it.
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JRsbugs
Jan 9, 2016 6:56 PM CST
There's others on the google books link which it could be, look at Kanzi which is listed under the photo of White Jewel.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dracaena+kanzi&biw=1309&bi...
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plantladylin
Jan 9, 2016 6:57 PM CST
D. deremensis is a synonym for D. fragrans

For comparison, here's Dracaena fragrans 'White Jewel'
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JRsbugs
Jan 9, 2016 7:01 PM CST
Another called Jade Jewel ..

http://www.foremostco.com/ForemostCo%20Catalogs%20&%20Market...
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Jan 9, 2016 7:17 PM CST
From a grower, White Stripe has a very broad green centre with narrow white stripe near a narrow green margin ..

http://costaverdeimports.com/product/dracaena-cane-warneckii...

Jade Jewel looks best match to me, it has broad leaves with a broad green margin.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=dracaena+jade+jewel&biw=13...

This German site shows two examples of Jade Jewel which vary greatly, but both have broad leaves with a broad dark green margin.

http://dracaena-drachenbaum.de/tag/dracaena-deremensis/
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jan 9, 2016 7:27 PM CST
Janet, Jade Jewel does fit best! More photos for comparison:
http://charlie-cook.com/products/browse/index/category:Draca...
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=dracaena+fragrans+jade+j...


That one wasn't in our database either so I've submitted a proposal to add it. Once it's approved I'll post the link here.

Audrey, your plant is really beautiful!! Thumbs up
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Name: Audrey
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Esperanza
Jan 9, 2016 7:51 PM CST
Ahhh ha.... Jade Jewel. I do believe we found a winner! Hurray! Thank you Janet and Lin. I do love the bright white on this plant. You could get lost in its luscious variegation.
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plantladylin
Jan 9, 2016 8:02 PM CST
Audrey, the thanks all goes to Janet (JRsbugs) our Super Sleuth! She is amazing at identifying plants and bugs!
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JRsbugs
Jan 9, 2016 9:23 PM CST
I tip my hat to you. Thank You! Acorn Acorn
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jan 9, 2016 9:43 PM CST

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No, I think I just found this one. You said it was sold to you as Dracaena warneckii, but it's probably Dracaena fragrans 'Warneckei.'

Striped Dracaena (Dracaena fragrans 'Warneckei')
Name: Audrey
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Esperanza
Jan 9, 2016 10:08 PM CST
I bought it a while back at a whole sale nursery unlabeled and just was doing web searches trying to figure it out. I will post it under 'Warneckei ' I guess what I found was just spelled wrong Zuzu Shrug! It is crazy you ran into to that by chance. Good job Thumbs up Thank you! You can see how confusing the search results are Blinking
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JRsbugs
Jan 10, 2016 7:00 AM CST
[quote="zuzu"]No, I think I just found this one. You said it was sold to you as Dracaena warneckii, but it's probably Dracaena fragrans 'Warneckei.'

Striped Dracaena (Dracaena fragrans 'Warneckei')

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Why not Jade Jewel? It doesn't fit Warneckei in my opinion.

http://www.foremostco.com/ForemostCo%20Catalogs%20&%20Market...

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bonitin
Jan 10, 2016 9:24 AM CST
I agree It doesn't fit Warneckei..
Very confusing anyway because some of the other photos in the database entry of
Striped Dracaena (Dracaena fragrans 'Warneckei')
are not agreeing with each other..
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jan 10, 2016 3:45 PM CST

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Janet, my ID could be wrong, of course. It was based solely on the assumption that the plant's original ID (Dracaena warneckii) had been misspelled.

Myriam, I'm willing to move any photos that appear to have been misidentified in that entry.
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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Jan 10, 2016 4:27 PM CST
Esperanza said: I bought it a while back at a whole sale nursery unlabelled and just was doing web searches trying to figure it out. I will post it under 'Warneckei ' I guess what I found was just spelled wrong Zuzu Shrug! It is crazy you ran into to that by chance. Good job Thumbs up Thank you! You can see how confusing the search results are Blinking


zuzu, I don't see anywhere that it was bought as Warneckei and even if it was, that is no guarantee that it is.

Esperanza said: I was going to add this but I am unsure of what category to put it under. Any ideas?








Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jan 10, 2016 4:38 PM CST

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Janet, you don't see it because the discussion began in a tree-mail. This is getting so complicated. Esperanza mentioned to me in a tree-mail that she had a Dracaena warneckii and didn't know what to do because we had no entry for it. I told her warneckii was not a valid species name and advised her to seek an ID in the Plant ID Forum. I later ran across the entry for Dracaena fragrans 'Warneckei' and assumed that her original ID had been misspelled.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Jan 10, 2016 4:44 PM CST
bonitin said: I agree It doesn't fit Warneckei..
Very confusing anyway because some of the other photos in the database entry of
Striped Dracaena (Dracaena fragrans 'Warneckei')
are not agreeing with each other..


You are correct Myriam, one in particular by Paul2032 is definitely not Warneckei.



It could be Dracaena fragrans Surprise but I'm not sure ..

http://www.foremostco.com/ForemostCo%20Catalogs%20&%20Market...

http://www.gardens4you.co.uk/index.php?/Dracena-Plants/Draca...

If you scroll down the page on this German site you will see Dracaena White Surprise, Dracaena Lemon Surprise, Dracaena Surprise together, then separate. 'Surprise' looks very close.

http://gaertnerblog.de/blog/2008/dragontree-dragon-selection...

Aha, I 'see' how the confusion arose zuzu, but it seems Esperanza had made a guess at the name.



Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jan 10, 2016 5:04 PM CST

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What a wonderful link for comparisons!

Paul appears to have submitted two photos that don't belong in the entry. The margins are the key, right? In that case, I agree that Esperanza's photo doesn't match the rest either.

How certain are we of these ID's? Do you think I should move Paul's two photos to 'Surprise' and Esperanza's photo to 'Jade Jewel,' or should all three be moved to the generic Dracaena entry?

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