Seeds forum: Potassium Nitrate - Saltpeter for Chemical Scarification

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Name: David Laderoute
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DavidLMO
Jan 12, 2016 12:58 AM CST
Anyone use this for chemical scarification/germination assistance? KNO3 can be purchased as Stump Remover

I have used it on occasion and now have an experiment with Canna seeds

Control - soak overnight in H2O2/water solution
Test 1 - scarified on sandpaper and soak overnight in H2O2/water solution
Test 2 - chemical scarification in Potassium Nitrate
Test 3 - Boiling water over seed.

Control & Tests 1 & 2 are working overnight. I will do the boiling water tomorrow and plant tomorrow night.

Your thoughts or experiments?
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Name: Caroline Scott
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CarolineScott
Jan 13, 2016 8:28 AM CST
I had heard of this , but did not know that it was stump remover.

Last year I did Canna as a Wintersow, and several did germinate.

Canna germinates for me if it is just nicked, and placed in warmth under lights.

My germination experiments are on Peony seeds this year using GA3 or IAA or IBA?.

So far no results on peonies.

Trying GA3 on Rosemary seeds and Parsley seeds.
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Name: Rick R.
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Leftwood
Jan 13, 2016 10:00 AM CST
We will all be interested in your results, David. Thumbs up

There are two variables (different from your control) to account for in your potassium nitrate lot: 1) not soaking and 2) the addition of potassium nitrate. How will you know which is responsible for the outcome?
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Name: David Laderoute
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DavidLMO
Jan 13, 2016 10:54 AM CST
CarolineScott said:
My germination experiments are on Peony seeds this year using GA3 or IAA.

So far no results on peonies.

Trying GA3 on Rosemary seeds and Parsley seeds.


There is some very good info out there on GA3. I have some, but must admit, I have not tried it a lot.

What is IAA?
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Name: David Laderoute
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DavidLMO
Jan 13, 2016 11:00 AM CST
Leftwood said:
There are two variables (different from your control) to account for in your potassium nitrate lot: 1) not soaking and 2) the addition of potassium nitrate. How will you know which is responsible for the outcome?


Not following you. Are you suggesting I should also have a test or Control of doing nothing and just planting the seeds?

If so - I have no interest in that. I know the results - FOREVER. Green Grin! I chose not to test that.

Another test I could have done was scarify (via sandpaper) and then soak in Potassium Nitrate.

Another test would be using GA3.

And another test ..... Big Grin
And another ....

If these all grow, I am going to have a lot of Cannas already. Rolling on the floor laughing

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CarolineScott
Jan 13, 2016 12:12 PM CST
IAA is Indole Acetic Acid.
Should have said IBA ? Indole Butyric Acid?
IBA is the chemical component in the "Roots" gel.
The gel also has a fungicide in it.
When I was researching seeds from the NARGS swap,--
I came across info that IAA was used to shorten the warm ? or cold? period for some seeds.
So I thought I would try IBA on peony seeds.
So far there are no results to report.

But I do have a control which only had peroxide water as pretreatment.
I treat all peony seed with peroxide water first.
But one bag has had no further chemical treatment.
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Name: Rick R.
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Leftwood
Jan 13, 2016 12:46 PM CST
Leftwood said:1) not soaking and 2) the addition of potassium nitrate. How will you know which is responsible for the outcome?


DavidLMO said:Are you suggesting I should also have a test or Control of doing nothing and just planting the seeds?
If so - I have no interest in that. I know the results - FOREVER. Green Grin! I chose not to test that.


Yes, that is exactly what I was saying.
But now, since you say already know the results of one of the variables, that is how you will know! (So you have answered my question.)



Name: Caroline Scott
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CarolineScott
Jan 13, 2016 1:20 PM CST
Sorry if I confused anyone over IAA and IBA.
It is the Wilsons Root Gel that I am using which is IBA .
I dissolved a 50 ml bottle,
and made it up to approximately one liter in a shampoo bottle.

I think the IAA is the chemical component of that spray for tomato blossoms.

Both IAA and IBA have been used to treat seeds. They are very similar.

Name: David Laderoute
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DavidLMO
Jan 13, 2016 2:52 PM CST
Leftwood said:
Yes, that is exactly what I was saying.
But now, since you say already know the results of one of the variables, that is how you will know! (So you have answered my question.)


Right. I guess. Big Grin Thumbs up

I have grown Canna with NO treatment (not even soaking in plain water) and it takes forEVERRRRRRR. So I chose not to do that at all. Smiling

My "base" or control is simply H2O2 which is what many folks use
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Name: David Laderoute
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DavidLMO
Jan 13, 2016 2:57 PM CST
CarolineScott said:Sorry if I confused anyone over IAA and IBA.
It is the Wilsons Root Gel that I am using which is IBA .
I dissolved a 50 ml bottle,
and made it up to approximately one liter in a shampoo bottle.

I think the IAA is the chemical component of that spray for tomato blossoms.

Both IAA and IBA have been used to treat seeds. They are very similar.



I use one of the best products that is basically IBA - DipnGrow. But I only use it for rooting/propagating cuttings. I dip cuttings for like 3 - 7 seconds. I have never seen a product that can be used on seed.

That Wilsons stuff is recommended for seeds? How long do you soak them? I am unfamiliar with it.

Hmmmm Google search. You got some whacky weed going? Smiling That product looks like it is made for dipping cuttings.
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Name: Caroline Scott
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CarolineScott
Jan 13, 2016 7:42 PM CST
No it is not recommended for seed.
It is for dipping cuttings.
I just thought I would try it on seeds.
Name: David Laderoute
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DavidLMO
Jan 13, 2016 8:01 PM CST
Keep us posted. Maybe you are on to something. Green Grin!
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Name: Caroline Scott
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CarolineScott
Jan 14, 2016 4:09 AM CST
Maybe? Shrug! Shrug! Shrug!
Name: David Laderoute
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DavidLMO
Jan 14, 2016 7:33 PM CST
I went ahead and scarified Test 3 - Boiling water over seed.

The two that I scarified were showing little white growth at scarification point, so I know which will come up first.

Planted all my test Canna seeds today. 24 Green Grin!
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